LIMA Murphy Models

[WRENNEIRE]

The joys of the Internet
Spent some time trawling through some weird and wonderful, and some not so wonderful, websites thanks to Covid
One was one that I had bought some bits off long ago and I said I would give it a go. I put in BexleyModels.Com instead of .co.uk , Jesus Mary and Joseph got the shock of my life, I didnt know men could be that well endowed!
Visited another obscure Italian site and low and behold look what turned up. I have one in a freight set but I had never seen a single boxed example before 
The famous Sundries wagon in N gauge
So it fits nicely into the 32 04XX range
Ramseys have it catalogued under Long Wheelbase Refrigerator Van but with no Catalogue number
Happy Christmas me!

 

 

[WRENNEIRE]

On the subject of Sundries wagons I picked up this O Gauge one recently in an attic clear out
Research would suggest that up until '82 Lima used a 4 digit reference for their models which would be 6711 for this wagon, however after '82 they began to appear with a 2 digit prefix, 30 for OO gauge and now 31 for O gauge. Its the first 6 digit reference I have seen for O Gauge, anyone else have anything similar
I believe they all came in the stone effect box rather than the older orange and blue ones
Wagon is upside down to display the broken wheel!

 

[WRENNEIRE]

Some more useless information 
Lima 305346W
Green Mk1 with Flying snail
2nd pic shows 6 digit reference number versus 4 digit( bought in the real capitol!) and the boxes they appear on
3rd pic shows different coloured roofs, I checked both my collection and the ones I have for sale and this difference is constant on them all, sorry to bother you with this but just adds another anomaly to the Lima history.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by WRENNEIRE

[WRENNEIRE]

Little & large!
The 7mm model is an Agenoria one, made in Bootle I believe.
4mm is one of Murphys 

[WRENNEIRE]

Some Supertrain running this evening
 

Edited September 30, 2022 by WRENNEIRE

[murphaph]

Dave any close ups of that Donelli machine or whatever it is behind the Sulzer?

[WRENNEIRE]

 

 

 

 

[murphaph]

Lovely thing. What's the background to it?

[flange lubricator]

Its a  Donelli gantry Good thread here on it 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by flange lubricator

[murphaph]

Thanks Mark. I wasn't aware of that thread. I was wondering more about the background of the model however . I should have been more specific. I was wondering is it from a kit or scratch built etc.

[WRENNEIRE]

Scratch built Murph along with the other models in the pic

[DiveController]

that's my guess for the next IRM rtr niche product offering  

[steventrain]

Found some information on Hornby Irish train set and solo models.

R383 Slainte Express Set (hymek and 2 mk2 coaches) date issue 1976 - 1900 made.

R384 CIE Super freight set (hymek and four freight) date issue 1977 - 1900 made.

R792 CIE local goods set (0-4-0t with four wagons) date issue 1979 - little over 4000 made.

Solo Models in red single package

R768 CIE Hymek Factory stamp on instruction date issue December 1976 before left factory for Ireland arrive about Feb 1977. - only 300 solo models made.

R720 MK" Open coaches - 130 made.

R721 brake MK2  - 200 made.

Rxxx Cattle wagon (same as R106 SR sleep van) in Grey livery with flying snail logo - Never made.

 

[spudfan]

Nice bit of research. Should set you up for a job as a researcher on Prime Time....

[WRENNEIRE]

Think I just lost  me job 

[Galteemore]

27 minutes ago, WRENNEIRE said:

Think I just lost  me job 

Thought you only worked on St Stephen’s Day anyway ..,isn’t that when the Wrenn Boys come out ? 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

This is a great thread. 

[WRENNEIRE]

Might be of some interest
Had thrown them into an old wagon box and no idea which ones went where  

A Class

 

121

 

 

141/181

 

 

 

071

 

 

201

 

[Niles]

I was going through some of my own gear last night and copped that my Lima 206 (which I intend on changing to 209 but as an aside) box actually has Paddy Murphy's signature on the label, had it ages and only twigged. Wonder what the story there is...

(not posting a photo as I'm not wild about putting people's signatures up online for obvious reasons...)

Edited May 12, 2023 by Niles

[Flying Snail]

8 minutes ago, Niles said:

I was going through some of my own gear last night and copped that my Lima 206 (which I intend on changing to 209 but as an aside) box actually has Paddy Murphy's signature on the label, had it ages and only twigged. Wonder what the story there is...

 

Oh ... very interesting. I know they've fallen from favour, but given their place in Irish Modelling history if I had an "autographed" example I reckon I would keep it as is and look for another candidate for surgery 

[Niles]

6 minutes ago, Flying Snail said:

Oh ... very interesting. I know they've fallen from favour, but given their place in Irish Modelling history if I had an "autographed" example I reckon I would keep it as is and look for another candidate for surgery 

I know what you mean. 209 requires putting the new numerals up slightly higher than where 206's are, and had no nameplate. Why 209? When I was 12 a kindly NIR driver invited me up to its cab in Connolly and its been my 'favourite' 201 ever since.  We shall see...

Edited May 12, 2023 by Niles

[LNERW1]

On 28/2/2014 at 12:43 PM, WRENNEIRE said:

 

 

Love the ginger freckly kids in green t-shirts, definitely not a racist stereotype...

 

 

 

 

on second thought maybe racist is a bit extreme... but ye know what i mean.

[LNERW1]

Wait, hold on... i've just realised, it looks like those kids are using one of the old 50s Dublo battery controllers- what's going on there?

 

[Ironroad]

On 10/12/2012 at 10:07 AM, WRENNEIRE said:

August 06 saw Murphys next release

IR & IE Mk 2A'S

4 sets made, MM4101, MM4102, MM4108 & MM4110

504 of each set produced

First models to be produced with any reference to Murphy Models.

 

 

MM4110 IE

 

MM4108 IE

 

MM4101 IR

 

 

4102IR

 

Hi Dave, harking back to this post from quite a while ago, these coaches were sold in shrink wrapped twin packs and just one running number is advertised on the exterior of each pack. So do you know the running numbers of the second coach in each pack?  

I have pack MM4101 and that contained coach no 4101 & 4108 with IR logos. But since there is a pack numbered 4108 with the IE logo, that would seem to indicate a repeat of the numbers in the different logos.

I ask this in the context of the imminent release of the IRM MK2B & C coaches which are complimentary.

Thank you Tom

[DJ Dangerous]

33 minutes ago, Ironroad said:

Hi Dave, harking back to this post from quite a while ago, these coaches were sold in shrink wrapped twin packs and just one running number is advertised on the exterior of each pack. So do you know the running numbers of the second coach in each pack?  

I have pack MM4101 and that contained coach no 4101 & 4108 with IR logos. But since there is a pack numbered 4108 with the IE logo, that would seem to indicate a repeat of the numbers in the different logos.

I ask this in the context of the imminent release of the IRM MK2B & C coaches which are complimentary.

Thank you Tom

 

As far as I know, both liveries were released with 4101 and 4108 bundled, and 4102 and 4110 bundled.

So MM4101 and MM4108 both had 4101 and 4108 bundled.

MM4102 and MM4110 both had 4102 and 4110 bundled.

Edited January 12 by DJ Dangerous
Typo

[Ironroad]

Thank you, that makes sense (just 4 running numbers in all). 

[DJ Dangerous]

4 minutes ago, Ironroad said:

Thank you, that makes sense (just 4 running numbers in all). 

Yup, the same four in each livery.

[steventrain]

I have look at two version of R768.

Pat Hammond the story of rovex Vol.3 wrote

'Two different versions of the model have been reported and this could be accounted for by their having been made in two batches, one of 300 sole models in 1977 and the others in sets in 1981. One has the original cast metal motor bogie and black buffer beams while the other has the Ringfield motor bogie and red buffer beams.'

I found one unboxed Ringfield motor version.

 

Locomotive operation manual date 1980 showing R768 CIE, also same model R335 but in Two tone green livery.

Edited February 6 by steventrain

[steventrain]

Brought the Hornby R2130 Irish loco (year 2000-01) from ex collector in England. Now add to my collector.

Never been run as new.

 

 

Edited April 8 by steventrain

[WRENNEIRE]

Been a while since I picked up anything unusual
Hadn't seen this one before
EFSI Garda Land Rover, left hand drive!

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

11 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said:

Been a while since I picked up anything unusual
Hadn't seen this one before
EFSI Garda Land Rover, left hand drive!

Nice find.

[DJ Dangerous]

13 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said:

Been a while since I picked up anything unusual
Hadn't seen this one before
EFSI Garda Land Rover, left hand drive!

 

That's class!

[WRENNEIRE]

Latest EFSI find
Aer Lingus card mounted van
6257 

[Noel]

On 6/2/2024 at 10:29 PM, steventrain said:

I have look at two version of R768.

Pat Hammond the story of rovex Vol.3 wrote

'Two different versions of the model have been reported and this could be accounted for by their having been made in two batches, one of 300 sole models in 1977 and the others in sets in 1981. One has the original cast metal motor bogie and black buffer beams while the other has the Ringfield motor bogie and red buffer beams.'

I found one unboxed Ringfield motor version.

 

Locomotive operation manual date 1980 showing R768 CIE, also same model R335 but in Two tone green livery.

Wow. What a find. Late coming to the party on this thread, this is one of the 1977 cast metal bogie versions I still have, I remember retaining and then weathering the chassis and under frames around 1978, because the day glow orange plastic was hideously bright and not CIE tan at all.  As it was 1978 it was brush repainted by this then impatient teen. Nostalgia memory but those motor bogies were truly awful and unreliable runners from the tri-ang stable. Great find though and thanks for posting

As its nostalgia day today here was my entire collection of Irish stock in the 1970s, top Lima BR mk1 coaches pretending to be some Irish coach, below the Hornby 'Slainte Express' or whatever they called it with the Hymek and Br Mk2 coaches in dayglo orange. I could not stomach the shiny chrome window frame paint so over painted with matt black paint to tone the coaches down a bit. Some old Rover/Tri-Ang tooled station buildings of that era too.