ICPHOWWWARRR - 22000 Class Railcars In OO from IRM!

[DJ Dangerous]

38 minutes ago, Niles said:

nothing wasteful about those photos!

I'm sure my Dad had a different opinion!

So are there any fixed configurations for multiple running of 22000's?

Like, do they run in 6+6 format, or is a 6+3 the longest etc?

[irishrailways52]

just earlier today Irish rail ran a 7 car set as a test

 

 

[Sean]

1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said:

I'm sure my Dad had a different opinion!

So are there any fixed configurations for multiple running of 22000's?

Like, do they run in 6+6 format, or is a 6+3 the longest etc?

seems to commonly be a 2x3 car down my way. heading over there in a half an hour so ill try an remember to grab a video of the rev up/drive away. 

If i recall right 6 is the maximum for the wexford line as most of the platforms are extended to accomodate the extra car. no more trailing beyond the end of the platform anymore!

18 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Fully agree on the nostalgia. I long to see what I remember from my childhood, only remembering the good, not the bad.

Still, the last decade or two, the closest I get to rail travel is the Tranvia / tram up in Santa Cruz, so you guys don't know how lucky you are with your grey 071's, your 22000's and your RPSI specials!

kato do a line of a very inexpensive trams with its own road embedded track system....

[Sean]

2 hours ago, irishrailways52 said:

I do often find it funny that Irish rail who are obsessed with eco friendliness are putting engines in eery carriage of a railcar rather than building or buying a efficient locomotive with only one engine.

loco haled trains are more eco friendly, substantially smoother ride and far better for us enthusiasts. 

a loco hauled service pulls many times it own weight though and the engine is generally ran pretty hard. requiring more frequent maintenance and overhauls. 

a dmu with power in every car would essentially be a number of "locomotives" running in multiple and the whole thing works together with each motor essentially running a relatively light load. I could only assume that this leads to reduced maintenance, running costs and overhauls as the engines would not need to be worked as hard to get up to speed etc.

 

I dont have any hard data but ive often wondered how the running costs would vary between a single 121 or a pair of 121 running in multiple for lighter trains of course the engine technology is completely different to how it is in a modern 4 stroke DMU

 

Edited July 11, 2023 by Sean

[Sean]

Waiting at the DUBLIN platform for the DUBLIN service, 4 car set, funniest thing about gorey station is that the CTC dont seem to give a shit about what platform your train will arrive on so its very common to see a platform full of passengers scramble to get to the other side when the train pulls in to the wrong platform.

you can see here also how they raised and extended all the platforms to accomodate these sets. kinda just ploppled it all down ontop of the old platform and called it a good job.

 

 Double trouble! had plannned to film a platform departure but this may just be better than that lol

 

[DJ Dangerous]

6 hours ago, irishrailways52 said:

just earlier today Irish rail ran a 7 car set as a test

 

 

 

So when IRM do a re-run in 2026, they can do a seven-car set!

Wonder if they'll have the 1/76 catering cart ready for the 2026 re-run...

Edited July 11, 2023 by DJ Dangerous
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[hurricanemk1c]

On 11/7/2023 at 5:03 PM, irishrailways52 said:

I do often find it funny that Irish rail who are obsessed with eco friendliness are putting engines in eery carriage of a railcar rather than building or buying a efficient locomotive with only one engine.

loco haled trains are more eco friendly, substantially smoother ride and far better for us enthusiasts. 

Nothing funny about it.Loco hauled trains only start to become more economical after 6/7 vehicles (it varies depending on the actual ones used). Under that it's considerably more efficient to use railcars with distributed traction, for performance, financial and environmental reasons.

 

7 ICR tests are purely for comissioning the new B2 centre cars

 

Enthusiast wants are rather low on the pecking order for new fleets

Edited July 13, 2023 by hurricanemk1c

[Niles]

On comfort, one of the most comfortable train journeys I've ever been on was a Danish IC3 railcar/multiple unit set from Hamburg to Copenhagen (standard class btw). Dispelled any notions of railcars being less comfortable than hauled stock by nature. Personally I find the 22000s quite comfortable for what they need to do, I don't have much interest in them as an enthusiast but that's a non-argument.

You also have to consider the output of each individual engine in a railcar set versus a loco hauled set (factoring in a huge loco engine and generator van). It's not quite as simple as 6 railcar engines is the same as 6 locomotive engines.

[DJ Dangerous]

28 minutes ago, Niles said:

On comfort, one of the most comfortable train journeys I've ever been on was a Danish IC3 railcar/multiple unit set from Hamburg to Copenhagen (standard class btw). Dispelled any notions of railcars being less comfortable than hauled stock by nature. Personally I find the 22000s quite comfortable for what they need to do, I don't have much interest in them as an enthusiast but that's a non-argument.

 

So no need to visit the chiropractor after each trip?

[Niles]

Oddly enough it's one of the few routes that has actually since reverted to loco haulage.

[Barl]

The 22k set with the MTU powerpack rebuild trial was on the Limerick Junction to Waterford service this morning - I didn't get to hear it leaving but wonder if there's any difference in sound after the rebuild. 

[irishrailways52]

the acceleration is more low pitched and slowly builds up. it goes up gears like a car. sounds a little like a NIR 4000

you can hear it in the first shot of this video

 

Edited July 15, 2023 by irishrailways52

[irishrailways52]

hear is onboard footage. (sorry about bad video quality)

[Warbonnet]

Hi everyone,

SEE OUR FIRST ICR AND PARK ROYAL SAMPLES THIS WEEKEND

 

All set for the 3 Day Dublin Show? As well as an all new announcement, complete with tooling sample, we have the first sample of our 22000 ICRs in hand and we're very excited to show you all how it's progressing. As you can see from the teaser below, it's looking rather lovely!

 

 

We will also have the first samples of our Park Royal coaches, so make sure you pop along to our stand to see both and find out the latest news on both.

 

Make sure you visit our stand this weekend at Blackrock College between 11am and 5pm to see all these lovely goodies in the flesh!

 

Pre-order your ICR: https://irishrailwaymodels.com/collections/railcar-class-22000-icr

 

Cheers!

 

Fran 

 

[DJ Dangerous]

Is that a removeable hatch in the teaser photo, for getting the catering trolley in place???

[Westcorkrailway]

I’m waiting for the little electric shunter sample 

[jhb171achill]

5 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Is that a removeable hatch in the teaser photo, for getting the catering trolley in place???

The catering trolley will contain real chocolate model KitKats, for display purposes only.

[DJ Dangerous]

7 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

The catering trolley will contain real chocolate model KitKats, for display purposes only.

No Superquinn sausages???

4 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said:

I’m waiting for the little electric shunter sample 

I'm waiting for somebody to motorise the shunters!

[BosKonay]

4 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said:

I’m waiting for the little electric shunter sample 

They’ll be on display at the show

[jhb171achill]

3 hours ago, BosKonay said:

They’ll be on display at the show

Display purposes only?

[BosKonay]

13 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Display purposes only?

Fondling may be allowed too

[jhb171achill]

8 minutes ago, BosKonay said:

Fondling may be allowed too

If EVER there was an ecumenical matter, that nails it….

Edited October 25, 2023 by jhb171achill

[DJ Dangerous]

14 minutes ago, BosKonay said:

Fondling may be allowed too

 

Fondling of the sausages, the chocolates or the shunter?

[Warbonnet]

Announced at the 2022 Dublin show in Raheny, we're delighted to bring you the first tooled samples of our all new Rotem ICR 22000 Intercity Railcars at the 2023 show at Blackrock College this October Bank Holiday weekend!

There is some improvements to be made to the tooling, such as fit and finish, particularly the removable roof sections. We are also looking at the fine tuning of the underframe equipment and improving the car-to-car connections.

However, pictures tell a story of a thousand words, so feast your eyes below!

As well as the ICR tooling, we also have the first samples of the Sculfort shunting tractor. This little loco is un-powered and comes free with each ICR 6 car pack, based of the shunting tractor in Portlaoise Depot.

Our ICRs are on course for delivery in Summer of 2024! As you can see, the first high quality ready-to-run model of an Irish railcar that is prototypically accurate is shaping up rather well indeed! 

Due to the size of the sets, production is limited, so we advise any of you thinking of placing an order to do so very soon to avoid disappointment. Browse the range of 3, 4 and 6 car sets via the link below, and place your preorder, either no money down until they arrive in stock, or spread the payments over 6 months via our partial.ly service at no extra cost!

Pre-Order Your 22000 ICR Here!

View the full article

[Bob229]

Looking forward to the Railcars, 4 car set on order lots of detail, close coupling interior lighting, the shunting tractor looks excellent 

[jhb171achill]

On 25/10/2023 at 9:42 PM, DJ Dangerous said:

 

Fondling of the sausages, the chocolates or the shunter?

Yes

[RedRich]

I can't wait for these they are what is current and that is so important, it will bring new people into the hobby.

[DiveController]

Can someone explain the liveries on these? The post 2013 livery for example seems to have both intercity ribbons and rubix cube icons?  

Edited November 5, 2023 by DiveController

[Noel]

Superb models

[DJ Dangerous]

2 hours ago, DiveController said:

Can someone explain the liveries on these? The post 2013 livery for example seems to have both intercity ribbons and rubix cube icons?  

 

A bit of discussion on ther liveries here, @DiveController, as per your question in the other 22000 thread.

 

On 31/10/2022 at 3:33 AM, Rob said:

Would the date order below be reasonably accurate as regards the different options?

- Inter City branding with Bowling Ball set Numbering (2007 - 2008/9????)

- lnter City branding with Individual Numbering (2008/9??? - 2013)

- Irish Rail branding (2013 - ????)

- lrish Rail branding with blue doors etc (???? - current day)

 

 

 

On 2/11/2022 at 1:09 PM, hurricanemk1c said:

Pretty much. The bowling ball didn't last too long, although 22007 was the last to be treated some time between April and August 2013 from my own photos.

UIC numbers started creeping in with the 22047-22063 batch delivered in 2012 and progressively were added to the existing fleet.

Blue doors (or more accurately a shade of purple) started with 22008 in November 2018 and was spread across the fleet as they went in for internal refurb. The last set was I think 22029

 

I am available for scanning!

 

My big question is where the front number will be on 22302.........

 

[DJ Dangerous]

2 hours ago, DiveController said:

Can someone explain the liveries on these? The post 2013 livery for example seems to have both intercity ribbons and rubix cube icons?  

 

Other ICR thread here:

 

https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/12402-icphowwwarrr-22000-class-railcars-in-oo-from-irm/

[DiveController]

5 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

 

A bit of discussion on ther liveries here, @DiveController, as per your question in the other 22000 thread.

 

 

 

Read this entire thread only to find your post at the end , Dave. This is the most informative post regarding liveries. I realized the bowling ball livery is actually probably the only one that ran with the last of anything Orange  

This is so not my era as you know but as an ex-pat when these were introduced I don’t have any real nostalgia for them. I do like the look of the RTE Big Music week ( only nostalgic way to justify a purchase ) but I’m confused about the intercity ribbon livery post 2013. Is this when IE went I’ve to the current logo?

[hurricanemk1c]

16 hours ago, DiveController said:

Read this entire thread only to find your post at the end , Dave. This is the most informative post regarding liveries. I realized the bowling ball livery is actually probably the only one that ran with the last of anything Orange  

This is so not my era as you know but as an ex-pat when these were introduced I don’t have any real nostalgia for them. I do like the look of the RTE Big Music week ( only nostalgic way to justify a purchase ) but I’m confused about the intercity ribbon livery post 2013. Is this when IE went I’ve to the current logo?

The current logo was introduced in 2013 so that would match up.

I did ask about B2 vehicles at the show, and the answer wasn't a no......

[Robert Shrives]

Also from an engineering view point the track forces are a lot lower with distributed power as axle loads and hammer blow is reduced so track can last longer with reduced maintenance., which is a cost saving  of a large magnitude.  In UK Regional railways dumped loco hauled stock for railcars/ dmus very quickly as total costs savings even after buying new a stock made the BR Boards books move towards balancing.  Railtrack/ Network rail track access regime reflects track damage from heavy axle loads and for the Intervillage operators like East Coast, Advanti West Coast and Last Great Western can get more from the emu/dmu fleets over loco hauled and reduced HST power cars sees track access charges fall.   

It is a shame however that those who think putting a bus engine under a train filled with ill thought "cheap seats"  are not made to ride on them long distance. In UK the clamour about the seats caused the Rail safety board to investigate- using the BR  MK3 as the bench mark its tests showed no improvement in any of the modern trains being foisted on passengers.  I hope the  future bimode/ electrickery stocks in Ireland take heed of passenger needs when discussing the finances.   

Still on topic looking forward to my 6car .

Robert   

[Warbonnet]

Hi everyone,

It's been a busy start to the year here at IRM, with our lovely NIR Mark 2 coaches arriving and going down an absolute treat with modellers, our production samples of the Mark 2cs arriving (more on those soon) and of course, we have other projects rumbling in the background!

Such as our ICR!

Last week, ICR Project Manager Paul Isles, and our Sound Master Jamie Goodman attended Portlaosie Depot and Heuston Station Valeting Plant to record all the sounds for our ICR models in miniature.

We would like to extend a big and sincere thank you to Iarnród Éireann Irish Rail for facilitating us and going the extra mile to help us with the recording of this project. They went above and beyond to make this model truly special.

If you think our Mark 2s are good, then prepare to be blown away by these!

Pre-orders are beginning to fill up some variants, so make sure you get yours in here: https://irishrailwaymodels.com/.../railcar-class-22000-icr 

Cheers!

Fran