Freight Containers (Irish) OO Gauge- 40ft or 20 ft

[DiveController]

5 hours ago, LM186 said:

I spotted this on the R 334 betwwen Ballinrobe and Headford on 10-09-2020. Not a young box,by any means.

 

Looks longer than a 20' but not quite 40' box. Maybe a 30' like the FIF on page 2 of the thread which is an odd(ish) size 

[LM186]

8 hours ago, DiveController said:

Looks longer than a 20' but not quite 40' box. Maybe a 30' like the FIF on page 2 of the thread which is an odd(ish) size 

I had noticed the large number of corrugations on the side (close to 30) but assumed that it was a 20 footer. It's Gross load of 20321 kg is very close to the two containers in the photo (on page 3) with the caption "The blue tarp is on a B&1 40' ". Are there clues as to size etc  in the painted on data?

 

[Garfield]

Nice find, @LM186! Definitely looks like a 30-footer.  

[DiveController]

19 hours ago, LM186 said:

I had noticed the large number of corrugations on the side (close to 30) but assumed that it was a 20 footer. It's Gross load of 20321 kg is very close to the two containers in the photo (on page 3) with the caption "The blue tarp is on a B&1 40' ". Are there clues as to size etc  in the painted on data?

 

The container is older and doesn't conform to the BIC container data standardized in 1995. It will conform to one of the 1948, 1956 or 1975 TIR conventions but I am not fully familiar with these. CIE is the owner and U just means freight container.

The IRL 2080 on the second line probably means 20' length 8'0" height but that is intuition only, although I did note the gross weight as you did. Typically a 20' has a tare weight of  4k-4.8k lbs or 2 000Kg and a gross weight uo to 30,000 Kg )modern ISO possibly High Cubes etc.

P20136 on page three seems to be occupying half of a 42' flat wagon in the 300xx series. 20 foot cubes have about 30 corrugations which would be less than 1' each.

So I think your first impression was probably right that this is an older 20' container

Edited September 16, 2020 by DiveController

[LM186]

Cheers for that. Dive Controller It's one for modelling  all right ,though  an FIF 30footer would probably look good as well.

 

[DiveController]

Yes, a 30' would look odd on a 42' flat. Nothing wrong with that. Variety is the spice. I don't know if the lugs on an IRM 42' flat would be appropriately placed to accept a 30' container centred to minimize the axle loading (some of them may be removable and might be repositioned, I'd have to look at mine) 

[warb]

photos of 30' container and 10'

[DiveController]

Haven't seen a 10' in blue/grey? before still with CIEU owner markings. Must be matching the odd blue color being used by CIE on many stations during the 80s or the Blue Taras!

Edited September 22, 2020 by DiveController

[Warbonnet]

I came across this recently which is pretty epic. Never knew there was such thing as a 10ft tanktainer!

[flange lubricator]

25 minutes ago, Warbonnet said:

I came across this recently which is pretty epic. Never knew there was such thing as a 10ft tanktainer!

Never mind the tanktainer  the other three are looking pretty unique too

[Warbonnet]

1 minute ago, flange lubricator said:

Never mind the tanktainer  the other three are looking pretty unique too

dark blue looks like a uniload, other two are the same insulated 10ft container?

[murphaph]

Any date to the picture?

[Warbonnet]

16 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Any date to the picture?

afraid not! 

[DiveController]

Just to add that I did not realize that the Shale wagons also started life in blue. I saw a photo somewhere (maybe IRRS site) so no point in posting a link really. So that's Taras, containers and shales, not to mention the dropside and curtain side cements

[DiveController]

9 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

I came across this recently which is pretty epic. Never knew there was such thing as a 10ft tanktainer!

I think this highlights the need for a few extra lugs to become available at some point although we don't have 10' containers yet. The third container belongs to Ceimicí Teoranta a semi-state company involved in production of natural sweeteners e.g. Glucose bottom of the signage, like Comhlucht Siúicre Éireann Teoranta. Obviously beet and sugar had a much larger market share. I'd wager the last container is a reefer or insulated as alluded to above.

Some seen here in this thread few 2013, maybe at Cork Yard but not 100% on that

 

Edited September 23, 2020 by DiveController

[Mayner]

9 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

I came across this recently which is pretty epic. Never knew there was such thing as a 10ft tanktainer!

 

Possibly Industrial Alcohol (methanol) or glucose traffic from a Cemici Teoranta plant. The company products were shipped by rail from Ballina, Derry and Dundalk from plants at Corry Co Mayo, Carndonagh Co Donegal and Cooley County Louth.

The location looks like Ballina, I vaguely remember seeing  several 10' tank containers during a visit to the station in the mid 1980s

The Corroy plant was/is alongside the Ballina branch but no siding was provided Cooley was served by a private siding from the Dundalk-Greenore line. 

[Arran]

HI All

The container fairy has been today  

 

Regards Arran

 

[murphaph]

Any idea of a suitable era for these tanktainers on Irish rails?

[Sean Hogan]

Arrange where did you get spider containers.

[ttc0169]

1 hour ago, murphaph said:

Any idea of a suitable era for these tanktainers on Irish rails?

Present day, see attached photo of the IWT liner this afternoon....

 

 

[murphaph]

Thx. Bit new for me but lovely models.

[flange lubricator]

Wonderful variety of tanks and containers on that train Noel. 

[ttc0169]

57 minutes ago, flange lubricator said:

Wonderful variety of tanks and containers on that train Noel. 

And the locomotive was a rare one-Enterprise 228 .

 

[DiveController]

Uniload containers with a single CIE labelled 10' container in the background

(c) Steve Parker Flickr 1981 Wexford

 

Edited October 2, 2020 by DiveController

[Mayner]

1 hour ago, DiveController said:

Uniload containers with a single CIE labelled 10' container in the background

(c) Steve Parker Flickr 1981 Wexford

 

That's a long train by Wexford Liner standards!

By 83-4 the Liner was down to 4-5 flats attached to the rear of a bagged fertiliser train between North Wall and Shelton Abbey. 

[murphaph]

Were these uniload containers for domestic use only? Any examples of customers?

[StevieB]

Uniload containers were meant to be the modern way of dealing with sundries traffic, ie less than wagonload, in the final days before this traffic was lost for good to road transport.

Stephen

[MOGUL]

On 9/24/2020 at 3:36 PM, Arran said:

HI All

The container fairy has been today  

 

Regards Arran

 

Hi Arran,

Perfect pick to go with the 42ft flats, my only criticism is the numbers on the tanks aren't accurate, but that's nit picking in the extreme! (For future ref/re-runs the Bruhns are BTEU2541xxx and the GCAs are GCAU79xxxxxxx!)

Are these available now?

Regards

Andrew

 

 

 

[leslie10646]

First, must say I liked Arran's Tanktainers - when they appear on the liner trains in this neck of the woods (see Growlers at Goring) they make a nice break from the relative monotony of endless (colourful!) boxes.

Now, the Uniload 10ft container.....

MIR, back in the day< did a simple version of these and when I produced my 20ft flat, I thought of doing one with a bit more of Michael's careful detail. The late Anthony McDonald and I spent a happy morning measuring one up dumped at Heston .....

In the end, I chickened out of spending Michael's time on something which might not sell.

However, if people are interested on having some, get in touch and I'll have a look again. Mind you the transfers won't be easy round all those "corrugations"!

PM or e-mail me if any interest.

Leslie (Provincial Wagons)

PS Arran, can we buy your tanktainer?

Edited October 2, 2020 by leslie10646

[Transtrack]

On 9/15/2020 at 1:38 AM, DiveController said:

Looks longer than a 20' but not quite 40' box. Maybe a 30' like the FIF on page 2 of the thread which is an odd(ish) size 

 

Tis indeed a 20' box. Some info from the 1975 CIÉ Sales Manual

 

 

On 9/23/2020 at 2:02 PM, Warbonnet said:

I came across this recently which is pretty epic. Never knew there was such thing as a 10ft tanktainer!

 

On 9/23/2020 at 11:08 PM, DiveController said:

I think this highlights the need for a few extra lugs to become available at some point although we don't have 10' containers yet. The third container belongs to Ceimicí Teoranta a semi-state company involved in production of natural sweeteners e.g. Glucose bottom of the signage, like Comhlucht Siúicre Éireann Teoranta. Obviously beet and sugar had a much larger market share. I'd wager the last container is a reefer or insulated as alluded to above.

Some seen here in this thread few 2013, maybe at Cork Yard but not 100% on that

 

 

The tanktainer on the left is the same as the two on the right just you're looking at the opposite side. They were indeed for transport of Bulk Glucose. Looks like they had a white livery to begin with and got the blue livery later on.

Some info from the 1975 CIÉ Sales Manual which shows the opposite sides of two of them...

[Arran]

11 hours ago, MOGUL said:

Hi Arran,

Perfect pick to go with the 42ft flats, my only criticism is the numbers on the tanks aren't accurate, but that's nit picking in the extreme! (For future ref/re-runs the Bruhns are BTEU2541xxx and the GCAs are GCAU79xxxxxxx!)

Are these available now?

Regards

Andrew

 

HI Andrew

All =C=Rail= liver info is taken from pics where possible, these two match the models .

Welcome to the minefield.

Regards Arran

 

 

 

11 hours ago, MOGUL said:

 

 

11 hours ago, MOGUL said:

 

 

[Warbonnet]

1 hour ago, Transtrack said:

 

Tis indeed a 20' box. Some info from the 1975 CIÉ Sales Manual

 

 

 

 

The tanktainer on the left is the same as the two on the right just you're looking at the opposite side. They were indeed for transport of Bulk Glucose. Looks like they had a white livery to begin with and got the blue livery later on.

Some info from the 1975 CIÉ Sales Manual which shows the opposite sides of two of them...

Wow! That’s cool! 

[murphaph]

What's the electrical switchgear used for on a tanktainer? Some site of heating element?

Edited October 3, 2020 by murphaph

[Arran]

51 minutes ago, murphaph said:

What's the electrical switchgear used for on a tanktainer? Some site of heating element?

That would be my guess as well.

It says food stuffs only and if you look a small expansion tank from the tank instead of a drain , the pics were taken in Isotank at Immimingham so it was in there for cleaning .

Might have had treacle in it !! one tank getting washed out smelt fantastic 

 

Regards Arran

 

[murphaph]

It's possible they need to heat up certain foodstuffs like treacle to get them to actually flow out I suppose.