IRM Stocking Murphy Models 121 Locomotives!

[Warbonnet]

Just now, DJ Dangerous said:

B121 is still available?

Ah, at the time of writing it isnt, but we might have a cancellation or two. Will know more when we get the stock in next week, so keep an eye out for developments! 

Cheers!

Fran

[DJ Dangerous]

Just now, Warbonnet said:

Ah, at the time of writing it isnt, but we might have a cancellation or two. Will know more when we get the stock in next week, so keep an eye out for developments! 

Cheers!

Fran

That should keep some folk happy!

[mphoey]

53 minutes ago, Warbonnet said:

Ah, at the time of writing it isnt, but we might have a cancellation or two. Will know more when we get the stock in next week, so keep an eye out for developments! 

Cheers!

Fran

or if you get an extra B125

[DJ Dangerous]

So the 121's were delivered in grey in December 1960 and January 1961, and lasted at least five odd years before being painted black?

Then the 141's were delivered in black in December1962?

So a black 141 and a grey 121 running at the same time would have been prototypical?

What livery would the A's have had between 1962 and 1966?

[mphoey]

3 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

So the 121's were delivered in grey in December 1960 and January 1961, and lasted at least five odd years before being painted black?

Then the 141's were delivered in black in December1962?

So a black 141 and a grey 121 running at the same time would have been prototypical?

What livery would the A's have had between 1962 and 1966?

some would have been green others in the early black tan as they were been repainted in this time period

[DJ Dangerous]

7 minutes ago, mphoey said:

some would have been green others in the early black tan as they were been repainted in this time period

So A46 and A55 would be the two for that particular era?

[mphoey]

1 minute ago, DJ Dangerous said:

So A46 and A55 would be the two for that particular era?

yes there is a great article here on all the liveries have a look

 

[DJ Dangerous]

Awesome, thank you!

[mphoey]

15 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Awesome, thank you!

no problem but credit is more to john for keeping good records

[DiveController]

4 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

So the 121's were delivered in grey in December 1960 and January 1961, and lasted at least five odd years before being painted black?

Then the 141's were delivered in black in December1962?

So a black 141 and a grey 121 running at the same time would have been prototypical?

What livery would the A's have had between 1962 and 1966?

I think you're spoiled for choice on that one. I think A42, A55, A15 might all be in the running there but check that thread for more details on last run dates in a certain livery etc.

Edited September 7, 2020 by DiveController

[gm171 kk]

How far off are the other 121s from landing? Are we talking weeks or months? 

[spudfan]

From the MURPHY MODELS site

"We are please to advise that the first batch of 121 locos are in transit to Dublin and will become available in stockists by mid September. We will update as soon as more information becomes available. Images are available here."

No definite date but roughly what IRM have been intimating.

[Warbonnet]

Our allocation of B121, B135 and the RPSI B134 are on the way to our distribution centre. Dispatch will begin later this week/early next week.

Exciting times!

[mphoey]

26 minutes ago, Warbonnet said:

Our allocation of B121, B135 and the RPSI B134 are on the way to our distribution centre. Dispatch will begin later this week/early next week.

Exciting times!

looking forward to them 

[Joe Keegan]

From Marks Models this morning .

 

[Edo]

Lordy - that was fast

I have 3 (Grey,B&T and Supertrain) on order with Marks - I wonder will they split or send them altogether?...........................not that I mind too much either way!............still have to build all the wagon kits to go with them!

[mmie353]

Any sign of the DCC decoders coming with them? 

[Warbonnet]

3 minutes ago, mmie353 said:

Any sign of the DCC decoders coming with them? 

I believe they're not far away either, but worth asking Murphy Models! 

[Joe Keegan]

The question about the decoders availability is in the air with the carrier pigeon as we type

[mphoey]

1 hour ago, Joe Keegan said:

The question about the decoders availability is in the air with the carrier pigeon as we type

strange that they werent with the first lot as a few members will be looking to run with them soon cant remember did the 071 and 201 decoders come out at the same time or later

[Warbonnet]

6 minutes ago, mphoey said:

strange that they werent with the first lot as a few members will be looking to run with them soon cant remember did the 071 and 201 decoders come out at the same time or later

Two different suppliers. 

[connollystn]

Can't wait for the first 'Unboxing/Product Review' video to appear online later.

[jhb171achill]

5 minutes ago, connollystn said:

Can't wait for the first 'Unboxing/Product Review' video to appear online later.

I'm not worried about the actual model - I'm eagerly awaiting all 17 two-hour episodes of the "Unboxing" Box series. I have heard the spoiler - at 1hr, 48mins and 22 secs in Episode 16, the model moves - on actual track.

[jhb171achill]

A glimpse into the world of GREY 121s:

All of the following courtesy of P. Dillon collection, except the last few from a book.....:

Note the very first Cravens - 1963, almost two years after the 121s were new, had a "2" on their doors - all of 'em.

Also in later years of the green livery, most repaints had no "flying snails" on them.

The grain van, now in CIE grey, has an "N" after the number, indicating that it is a former Great Northern one.

Note new tin vans, and as mentioned before, complete realism absolutely requires these things - and (by now) absolutely neglected-looking steam engines. Who will be brave enough to weather a Bachmann "Woolwich" like the loco seen below?

And, just as the rule for strict authenticity is "no black chassis", it is also (pre-1970), "no brown wagons"!

[mphoey]

27 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

A glimpse into the world of GREY 121s:

All of the following courtesy of P. Dillon collection, except the last few from a book.....:

Note the very first Cravens - 1963, almost two years after the 121s were new, had a "2" on their doors - all of 'em.

Also in later years of the green livery, most repaints had no "flying snails" on them.

The grain van, now in CIE grey, has an "N" after the number, indicating that it is a former Great Northern one.

Note new tin vans, and as mentioned before, complete realism absolutely requires these things - and (by now) absolutely neglected-looking steam engines. Who will be brave enough to weather a Bachmann "Woolwich" like the loco seen below?

And, just as the rule for strict authenticity is "no black chassis", it is also (pre-1970), "no brown wagons"!

wonder john should we put 2s on the current craven livery except for the one first class one

[jhb171achill]

45 minutes ago, mphoey said:

wonder john should we put 2s on the current craven livery except for the one first class one

Yes, Martin, they had them when new. When second class became standard class, they got rid of them. The Cravens were originally “seconds” rather than “standards”.....

[Joe Keegan]

Marks Models in Greenogue got a delivered of 121 sound & non sound decoders from Paddy Murphy at lunchtime today.

 

 I called and purchased the non sound decoder .

 

Sound decoders are available as well.

 

Instructions 

Note the last paragraph 

[murphaph]

So the headlight can't be controlled with F8 like the 201 for example?

Any cab light?

 

[DJ Dangerous]

Any videos of the 121 models running today?

[Joe Keegan]

[DiveController]

I'm confused why the model would be running with both red and white marker lights, though? Was use of mixed lights for shunting used in the irish 1960s rail scene? Or is that single market a trick of the light with the red on the outside lens?

Edited September 8, 2020 by DiveController

[murphaph]

I'm confused too. An expert on the lighting arrangements of these locos is required! Anyone?

[Dead Kennedy]

On 9/7/2020 at 6:16 PM, DJ Dangerous said:

So the 121's were delivered in grey in December 1960 and January 1961, and lasted at least five odd years before being painted black?

Then the 141's were delivered in black in December1962?

So a black 141 and a grey 121 running at the same time would have been prototypical?

What livery would the A's have had between 1962 and 1966?

I've noticed MM B121 comes without lamp irons on either buffer beam. They were on the locomotives from the start. Is it just an oversight on the ( excellent) model?

[irishthump]

4 hours ago, Dead Kennedy said:

I've noticed MM B121 comes without lamp irons on either buffer beam. They were on the locomotives from the start. Is it just an oversight on the ( excellent) model?

Is it something to do with the model being in its “as delivered” condition? Perhaps they were fitted after arrival by Inchicore Works....

[jhb171achill]

6 hours ago, Dead Kennedy said:

I've noticed MM B121 comes without lamp irons on either buffer beam. They were on the locomotives from the start. Is it just an oversight on the ( excellent) model?

The lamps wouldn't have come from GM - they were locally added, according to the required lamp positioning for whatever train they were operating. Standard railway lamps.

In livery terms, they were all repainted black'n'tan by 1969, or possibly 1968. The first to be repainted black/n/tan appear to have been about 1964. Towards the end, the grey got quite shabby looking. During the short period of grey and yellow, a couple received red buffer beams on top of the grey livery in the pic above.

During the time these engines were grey (following delivery in 1961), "A" class locos had a number of liveries.

1.  A few retained the old silver - by now quite atrociously filthy - until about 1963.

2. A few more retained the green used on carriages, with about half a dozen sporting a darker shade. IRM have reproduced the "normal" green on the model of A30, and the "lesser green" on the model of A46 which was the first to get it. Green engines were to be seen until approximately 1965.

3. Black with full tan sides. This started appearing in very late 1962, with a couple of "A"s being the first to bear it. B101s and "C"s followed, and the first 141s were delivered in this livery. The tan, officially described as "golden brown", but in reality a sort of orange colour, as we all well know from photos, with a heavy brownish tint, came up to waist level. the white line at roof level went right along and round the sides. Some locos carried this right up to 1969/70 when they were re-engined with GM engines.

4. All black. Well, apart from a white flash above window level on cab fronts. This seems to start appearing about 1964. With the Crossley engines, the number of leaks of oil and heavy smoke these things emitted, the orange bit on the sides got filthy quickly. Thus, the all-black livery! This would have been familiar enough, since a few years earlier some steam engines were black, and the grey ones so dirty they often LOOKED black... So this is another overlap with the grey livery.

5. All black with a yellow rectangular panel on the ends. This seems to have appeared concurrently with, or very soon after, the all-black, about 1964/5.

The examples above (1), (2) and (3) were concurrent with the first few years of grey 121s. The examples (3), (4) and (5) all lasted slightly longer than the last 121 becoming black'n'tan.

In the pic above we see two grey locos, plus the inevitable "tin van" attached to one, probably being added to a passenger train being made up.

In summary, the only liveries NOT suitable for an "A" class alongside a grey 121 are:

- Re-engine "A" class livery - where the scheme is black'n'tan, with low or high waist, and a number ending in "R"; thus A12R, A5R, A58R etc. 

- anything orange and black, be it "Supertrain" (1972-87), "Tippex" (white lines added with "set of points" logo), or the same with the "Three Pin Plug" logo.

During THESE times, 121s were black'n'tan to 1972, then by degrees repainted in the later liveries.

Hope that helps!

It might be added that when 121s were new, all carriages were green bar a small few still silver. Cravens didn't exist.

During 1963-68, or thereabouts, while 121s were grey, carriages were a mix of green and the new black'n'tan livery. Mid sixties, you're looking at 50 / 50, gradually more BnT, less green.