New Murphy Models 071 Class Locos Likely in 2024

[Georgeconna]

  On 26/10/2024 at 9:02 PM, murphaph said:

That's.....brave.

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Especially with the ICR units not selling as the lads had hoped for. I would of thought a Push Pull set would of been warmly welcomed and would go great with the 121's. 

[chris]

Seems a bit of an odd choice versus the original DART for example. (I know there is a bespoke manufacturer of these though)

Hope it goes well for him but not one for me this time.

Edit: could really do with updating the website about it and a launch like IRM do... difficult to actually find out anything about it if you weren't at the show.

Edited October 27, 2024 by chris

[DJ Dangerous]

Bit of 071 info from The Lawyer here:

 

  On 29/11/2024 at 10:34 AM, Der Rechtsanwalt said:

I spoke to Paddy Murphy at the MRSI Show last month. He said the following:

• The 071 class would go into production mid-2025
• The MkIII coaches would enter production around the same time
• The 071 class would come in the same range of liveries as the initial run except in different numbers
• The 071 class would have various electronic upgrades similar to the recent run of 141/181s.
• In addition, the 071 would have a modification to the manual parking brake wheel
• Irish Rail removed the grab handles on the front of the 071 cabs when they were repurposed for freight (current slate grey livery).  
• In order to reflect this deletion on the models, the cabs for the current freight livery had to be retooled otherwise holes would be left in the plastic. 
• This retooling translated into delay.
• No unit price has been decided yet owing to inflation in the €Euro. 

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So early to mid 2026 would seem probable.

And more freight grey 071's, yay!

[Wexford70]

  On 29/11/2024 at 12:22 PM, DJ Dangerous said:

So early to mid 2026 would seem probable.

And more freight grey 071's, yay!

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I hope he can do the Grey 071 without the handles on the front of the cab this time! 

[Dr Gerbil-Fritters]

  On 1/12/2024 at 5:15 PM, Wexford70 said:

I hope he can do the Grey 071 without the handles on the front of the cab this time! 

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[BosKonay]

My personal estimate would be late 2026 at the moment. 

[Wexford70]

  On 1/12/2024 at 5:32 PM, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said:

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Had seen that post when I commented. Am very very happy 

[NIRCLASS80]

I would imagine with that delivery date we could be heading for €300 per loco. 

[Dr Gerbil-Fritters]

I'm looking forward to an as-delivered 071 and some mkIIIs in the original livery. That's what the future looked like, 40 odd years ago.

[Mol_PMB]

  On 1/12/2024 at 9:42 PM, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said:

I'm looking forward to an as-delivered 071 and some mkIIIs in the original livery. That's what the future looked like, 40 odd years ago.

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Agreed! This isn’t my finest photo, I was only 11 or 12 years old at the time, but the Mk3s behind 078 (i think the first in IR livery) make quite a contrast with the 1930s former GSR coach in the bay!

https://flic.kr/p/2j81mAA

I’ve only just noticed this, but the coach behind the EGV looks a bit odd. 

[DJ Dangerous]

  On 1/12/2024 at 6:21 PM, BosKonay said:

My personal estimate would be late 2026 at the moment. 

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So plenty of time to get the 22000's paid off before the 071 bill is due.

[Noel]

I don't want to buy anymore toy trains. I'm already ashamed of the size of collection I've built. Yet lust for a blue NIR 112 or an CIE Sulzer B113 hovers in the back of my mind.

[exciecoachbuilder]

  On 1/12/2024 at 10:02 PM, Mol_PMB said:

Agreed! This isn’t my finest photo, I was only 11 or 12 years old at the time, but the Mk3s behind 078 (i think the first in IR livery) make quite a contrast with the 1930s former GSR coach in the bay!

https://flic.kr/p/2j81mAA

I’ve only just noticed this, but the coach behind the EGV looks a bit odd. 

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Hi,  the coach in the bay looks like it is a full van, because it has 2 double loading doors on the side ( 2 on the other side as well). The step board at the end of the coach indicates that it was converted from a passenger coach, and it means that there was a passenger entrance door there before it was covered in. A lot of this work was done in Inchicore in the 1970's. A mixed bag of half composite, half van conversions, in which I worked on. The 1930's bit is interesting, because at the time of the conversion work, I never asked, or probably didn't care how old the coach was. CIE had a patchwork quilt fleet back then. Paul...

[jhb171achill]

  On 1/12/2024 at 5:15 PM, Wexford70 said:

I hope he can do the Grey 071 without the handles on the front of the cab this time! 

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Third quarter 2026 is what he told me....

[jhb171achill]

  On 1/12/2024 at 10:02 PM, Mol_PMB said:

 

I’ve only just noticed this, but the coach behind the EGV looks a bit odd. 

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Do you mean the reddish one? Could be one of the two Executive Train coaches.

I think the coach at the military platform is one of the 1951-53 CIE stock, based on GSR designs, which were in traffic until the mid 70s to maybe 1980s-ish on passenger trains, with some converted as CIEcoachbuilder says, to luggage vans and also the 32XX series genny standards. There were one or two actual GSR Bredin full brakes which lasted until the 1980s too, on mail trains, but possibly not as late as the post-1987 (IE) period.

[Mol_PMB]

  On 2/12/2024 at 11:52 AM, exciecoachbuilder said:

Hi,  the coach in the bay looks like it is a full van, because it has 2 double loading doors on the side ( 2 on the other side as well). The step board at the end of the coach indicates that it was converted from a passenger coach, and it means that there was a passenger entrance door there before it was covered in. A lot of this work was done in Inchicore in the 1970's. A mixed bag of half composite, half van conversions, in which I worked on. The 1930's bit is interesting, because at the time of the conversion work, I never asked, or probably didn't care how old the coach was. CIE had a patchwork quilt fleet back then. Paul...

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  On 2/12/2024 at 12:10 PM, jhb171achill said:

I think the coach at the military platform is one of the 1951-53 CIE stock, based on GSR designs, which were in traffic until the mid 70s to maybe 1980s-ish on passenger trains, with some converted as CIEcoachbuilder says, to luggage vans and also the 32XX series genny standards. There were one or two actual GSR Bredin full brakes which lasted until the 1980s too, on mail trains, but possibly not as late as the post-1987 (IE) period.

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That's very interesting, thanks! I took this photo of the same scene from a different angle, which shows the other end of the old coach (and still has an 071 in shot so not too far off topic...). I agree it's a full van, converted from an older passenger coach - you can see the outline of the old door at this end too. I think the old donor coaches were a mix of GSR 1930s vehicles, and the earliest CIE-built vehicles which were basically the same design as the GSR ones. To be honest I'm not sure which type this was, certainly it's pre-Bulleid in design but it may be one of the 1950s ones.

This TPO at Connolly a couple of years later is definitely 1930s:

 

  On 2/12/2024 at 12:10 PM, jhb171achill said:

Do you mean the reddish one? Could be one of the two Executive Train coaches.

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Yes, I was wondering that, though only a very small part is visible. I have some later photos of the executive coaches in Maroon/gold/black livery, but this appears to be plain red at the ends. It may be an illusion confused by an open door.

On the subject of odd liveries and straying off topic, I took this photo on the same occasion at Heuston, with a set of RPSI laminates in green/black/white:

I wonder if IRM will re-use their triangulated coach chassis and commonwealth bogies for some carriages like these?

 

Anyway, I'll drag the thread back on topic with 086 at Westport with a Mk3 set:

 

[exciecoachbuilder]

  On 2/12/2024 at 12:10 PM, jhb171achill said:

Do you mean the reddish one? Could be one of the two Executive Train coaches.

I think the coach at the military platform is one of the 1951-53 CIE stock, based on GSR designs, which were in traffic until the mid 70s to maybe 1980s-ish on passenger trains, with some converted as CIEcoachbuilder says, to luggage vans and also the 32XX series genny standards. There were one or two actual GSR Bredin full brakes which lasted until the 1980s too, on mail trains, but possibly not as late as the post-1987 (IE) period.

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I think you are right there jhb, it looks like one of the executive coaches.

[exciecoachbuilder]

  On 2/12/2024 at 12:21 PM, Mol_PMB said:

That's very interesting, thanks! I took this photo of the same scene from a different angle, which shows the other end of the old coach (and still has an 071 in shot so not too far off topic...). I agree it's a full van, converted from an older passenger coach - you can see the outline of the old door at this end too. I think the old donor coaches were a mix of GSR 1930s vehicles, and the earliest CIE-built vehicles which were basically the same design as the GSR ones. To be honest I'm not sure which type this was, certainly it's pre-Bulleid in design but it may be one of the 1950s ones.

This TPO at Connolly a couple of years later is definitely 1930s:

 

Yes, I was wondering that, though only a very small part is visible. I have some later photos of the executive coaches in Maroon/gold/black livery, but this appears to be plain red at the ends. It may be an illusion confused by an open door.

On the subject of odd liveries and straying off topic, I took this photo on the same occasion at Heuston, with a set of RPSI laminates in green/black/white:

I wonder if IRM will re-use their triangulated coach chassis and commonwealth bogies for some carriages like these?

 

Anyway, I'll drag the thread back on topic with 086 at Westport with a Mk3 set:

 

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The green paint on the RPSI coaches was an undercoat/ primer they painted on the coaches in Inchicore years ago. 

[jhb171achill]

  On 2/12/2024 at 12:49 PM, exciecoachbuilder said:

The green paint on the RPSI coaches was an undercoat/ primer they painted on the coaches in Inchicore years ago. 

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It’s also the same as the final colour used on diesel locos and coaches 1955-62.

[exciecoachbuilder]

  On 2/12/2024 at 4:19 PM, jhb171achill said:

It’s also the same as the final colour used on diesel locos and coaches 1955-62.

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That's interesting Jonathan, I thought that it was a primer or undercoat, a similar colour  to the primer that was used on the MK 3 body shells.  Because if that was the finished product on the RPSI coaches, it was a very poor paint job to be honest. Black and green? Did this livery ever exist on Irish coaches? 

[Mol_PMB]

  On 2/12/2024 at 6:54 PM, exciecoachbuilder said:

That's interesting Jonathan, I thought that it was a primer or undercoat, a similar colour  to the primer that was used on the MK 3 body shells.  Because if that was the finished product on the RPSI coaches, it was a very poor paint job to be honest. Black and green? Did this livery ever exist on Irish coaches? 

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The RPSI did the same thing on some Cravens a decade or more later. I think the idea was to distinguish them from CIE / IR / IE normal service trains, while awaiting a proper livery.

Edited December 2, 2024 by Mol_PMB
image added

[exciecoachbuilder]

  On 2/12/2024 at 7:02 PM, Mol_PMB said:

The RPSI did the same thing on some Cravens a decade or more later. I think the idea was to distinguish them from CIE / IR / IE normal service trains, while awaiting a proper livery.

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Yeah I remember the Cravens, I thought the RPSI had lost the plot on this one. But it makes sense what you say, thanks for the info. Paul

[Mayner]

  On 2/12/2024 at 7:02 PM, Mol_PMB said:

The RPSI did the same thing on some Cravens a decade or more later. I think the idea was to distinguish them from CIE / IR / IE normal service trains, while awaiting a proper livery.

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At the time CIE/IE would not allow the RPSI or other preservation groups operate trains in CIE/IE livery.

In the early 1980s the Great Southern Railway Preservation stock was restored in an approximation 1950s CIE green livery with Flying Snails and one or two in an approximation of GSR brown and cream. A pair of restored GSRPS coaches including a Buffet operated on a special from Cork-Youghal otherwise made up of CIE stock, West of Ireland Stream Railway Association (WISRA) eventually Westrail adapted short lived red and cream livery for specials over the WLWR line out of Tuam before adapting a late 50s CIE green livery for steam operations behind No 90s

 

[jhb171achill]

  On 2/12/2024 at 6:54 PM, exciecoachbuilder said:

That's interesting Jonathan, I thought that it was a primer or undercoat, a similar colour  to the primer that was used on the MK 3 body shells.  Because if that was the finished product on the RPSI coaches, it was a very poor paint job to be honest. Black and green? Did this livery ever exist on Irish coaches? 

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Oh, I see what you mean - I thought you meant the heritage stock - the Bredin, Laminate & Park Royals.

The green the RPSI used on lower panels was anything that was handy, and was simply done as a temporary measure just to distinguish their stock from those Cravens still in company service. The idea was to put them in CIE green, but there wasn’t time, not enough volunteers handy.

And no, nothing ever carried anything like that as a livery.

Most were done with leftover “proper” green but several used something like that Mk 3 primer - as you say very likely the same stuff. As for a “poor” job - yes, it was slapped on in a hurry and only ever meant to be temporary.

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[jhb171achill]

  On 2/12/2024 at 7:56 PM, Mayner said:

……. eventually Westrail adapted short lived red and cream livery for specials over the WLWR line out of Tuam before adapting a late 50s CIE green livery for steam operations behind No 90s

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Just as I seem to be the one and only person who ever liked the “Desert Sand” Dublin bus colour, I may also be alone in liking that short-lived Westrail red and cream livery!

[Horsetan]

  On 2/12/2024 at 7:02 PM, Mol_PMB said:

The RPSI did the same thing on some Cravens a decade or more later. I think the idea was to distinguish them from CIE / IR / IE normal service trains, while awaiting a proper livery.

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This reminds me of the type of colour scheme that might once have been found in India. Or possibly Bulgaria. 

[Mol_PMB]

  On 3/12/2024 at 2:00 PM, Horsetan said:

This reminds me of the type of colour scheme that might once have been found in India. Or possibly Bulgaria. 

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Personally, I think there's something rather Indian about this livery:

[Wexford70]

  On 3/12/2024 at 4:18 PM, Mol_PMB said:

Personally, I think there's something rather Indian about this livery:

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When did the executive coaches operate? I remember them being used on Wexford Opera Festival specials, travelers poured off at Wexford

[GM073]

Has anyone got any disinformation wishful thinking or any actually truthful news about a new release of MM 071's?

[Rosslare Ranger]

They sold out in December.

 

 

Disinformation

[Flying Snail]

  On 25/2/2025 at 8:16 AM, Rosslare Ranger said:

They sold out in December.

Disinformation

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Actually there's still a few of the dark green flying snail liveries still available.

 

Disinformation or wishful thinking? ...  you decide  (the 071s would look good in it)

[mphoey]

  On 2/12/2024 at 7:36 PM, exciecoachbuilder said:

Yeah I remember the Cravens, I thought the RPSI had lost the plot on this one. But it makes sense what you say, thanks for the info. Paul

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there were 2 green cravens painted one with a yard brush im not kidding an the spare craven the messcar still carries the green lower. around this time craven 1541 sported a grey undercoat and would be seen with blue handpainted upper and grey lower skirt in the core before finally getting the new all blue livery in the late 2000s

[popeye]

This thread is waaaay of topic.

[jhb171achill]

Back on topic, then. New 2024 IRM.

My prediction - and I’ve definite inside knowledge - us a working poo nappy for an N gauge Fintona horse.

A DCC poo-chip is an extra €67. Mark the date, but don’t tell anyone I told you. It’ll be 1.4.24.

 

[Mol_PMB]

  On 2/3/2025 at 1:05 AM, jhb171achill said:

Back on topic, then. New 2024 IRM.

My prediction - and I’ve definite inside knowledge - us a working poo nappy for an N gauge Fintona horse.

A DCC poo-chip is an extra €67. Mark the date, but don’t tell anyone I told you. It’ll be 1.4.24.

 

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Predictions of the past? Now if only you could place a bet on those!

Will your proposed horse be available in a alternative liveries, it would be ideal traction for a fitted H van...    (pic from Ernie)

But more seriously, and still off-topic, when might we expect the next IRM/AS announcement, I wonder? They seem pretty busy at present so maybe it's a little way off yet.