Ernies Massive Irish 1930's to 2005 Photo Archive

[Irishswissernie]

GNRI today as there are a fair number of negs 'in stock'  Clones 8 May 1948 U Class 198 and a gleaming 84 at Adelaide 4 days later.

 

Edited October 31, 2021 by Irishswissernie

[Galteemore]

Really interesting photos Ernie. Note how 84 is in ex shops blue, which still has that rich depth to it, unlike the more faded tender! This was just before the VS class arrived that summer. It’s also sat beside an old U still in black awaiting its blue. The UG (- photo on your Flickr today) must be brand new

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Edited October 31, 2021 by Galteemore

[airfixfan]

84 had been converted to  a Belpaire fitted boiler in September 1947. The UG Class had started to arrive in February 1948.

[Irishswissernie]

A couple of County Donegal views today from 3 July 1959  Van 155 with some interesting plank repairs at Strabane and a Trespass sign

 

[airfixfan]

155 a rare beast built in 1900 by Oldbury as a Covered Tranship wagon/van

 Appears to be a one off showing the patched up repair job often used towards the end at Stranorlsr.

[Irishswissernie]

One ex M&GWR today J18 583 at Mullingar 18Aug 1953. Handy view of some backhead detail.

 

[airfixfan]

CDR 155vwas one of three tranship wagons converted to other things bu the 1930s

 Only 155 appeared to receive this treatment and survive until closure. Thanks

[Irishswissernie]

Belturbet and Enniskillen today JT 94 on the branch train 19 August 1953 and PP 74 on Enniskillen shed 12 August 1954

 

[Irishswissernie]

More GNRI but a bit different. Hill of Howth Tramway. Teak liveried No 10 at Howth station 18 May 1959 & 10 + 4 at Summit on the same day.

 

[Irishswissernie]

A bit late today as I have been hammering away at composing a spreadsheet which is now done and dusted.

 Ex Dublin and South Eastern. I already have the JG Dewing black & white neg of C231 at Dun Laoghaire, here is the colour slide taken at the same time 16 May 1959. I have cropped the original image to make the locomotive stand out a bit more.

On the 17 May 1959 he took this view of Railcar 2619 at Killiney The train displays at least 4 shades/hues of green!

 

[Irishswissernie]

2 more John Dewing views today of the County Donegal Railways.

Castlefin  8 May 1959 Railcar 12 and Blanche crossing. Railcar 15 crossing the abandoned Londonderry & Lough Swilly  track bed just outside Letterkenny 9 May 1959

 

[airfixfan]

Two superb photos especially the bottom photo

[jhb171achill]

19 hours ago, Irishswissernie said:

A bit late today as I have been hammering away at composing a spreadsheet which is now done and dusted.

 Ex Dublin and South Eastern. I already have the JG Dewing black & white neg of C231 at Dun Laoghaire, here is the colour slide taken at the same time 16 May 1959. I have cropped the original image to make the locomotive stand out a bit more.

On the 17 May 1959 he took this view of Railcar 2619 at Killiney The train displays at least 4 shades/hues of green!

 

 

Interesting livery variation on the Park Royals - green ends on those two. They were normally black, as were the ends of other CIE coaches in both green liveries.

Naturally, due to the ridge along the side, no Park Royals ever carried "snails". 

[Irishswissernie]

Northern Counties Committee today  NCC 1930-xx-xxca Belfast Yk Rd B3 no.24 reb 1928 and named 1932 so between these dates.

Second view, NCC 1935-xx-xxca Belfast York Road U2 77

 

[Irishswissernie]

I've been catching up on the scanning today and in the batch is this neg at Guinness Brewery with a rather odd attachment on the loco !

A small pipe at the far end which has been inserted into a kind of 'drain pipe' on the wall. Why? It could be a water column but is somewhat over-sized for the locos water capacity and you would think if water is coming down the pipe then  the connection should be the other way round with the 'down' pipe inside the 'up ' pipe.

I'm not holding out much hope of an answer but you never know!

Edited November 7, 2021 by Irishswissernie

[jhb171achill]

Hybrid steam /electric power?

 

(I'll show myself out...)

[Broithe]

Is that actually a pipe running into the wall-mounted pipe?

I wonder if the wall-mounted pipe might be intended as some sort of flue arrangement, to extract the smoke on firing up? Perhaps with some sort of connector which is missing in the picture?

[murrayec]

Here is my guess;-

The fact that the bottom section of the pipe is cranked out from the wall makes me think of a chute or discharge pipe, cranked out makes me think it was used to fill bags or a wagon!

In 1970 the company attempted to replace the narrow gauge railway with a Ponndorf compressed air system to carry spent grains from the brewhouse to an area where they were collected by farmers- It did not work as the compressors burnt out. Could this be a discharge pipe from that system, and could the item sticking out of the pipe be a handle to a plug closing the pipe when not in use??

Eoin

 

[Irishswissernie]

That sounds plausible, you can't tell from the photograph that the pipe is actually connected to the locomotive. 

[Georgeconna]

The item into the pipe is part of the loco me thinks

 

[connollystn]

Correct me of I am mistaken but, on closer inspection, the down-pipe is not connected to the locomotive. 

[connollystn]

7 hours ago, Irishswissernie said:

Hi guys, my previous comment is reffering to this image. While the locomotive may look as if it's connected to the downpipe, it's most likely a trick of the camera.

 

[Irishswissernie]

I am out of action for the rest of the week so have uploaded a bumper pile of Irish views to flickr this morning. A few samples appended, click on each photo to get the caption.

 

 

 

 

 

[Galteemore]

Hope all goes well Ernie. Brilliant stuff. The black U in your site is lovely too. Funny how old Us started black and ended blue, but other way round with new Us (some of them anyway!).

[DiveController]

On 7/11/2021 at 11:52 AM, Irishswissernie said:

I've been catching up on the scanning today and in the batch is this neg at Guinness Brewery with a rather odd attachment on the loco !

A small pipe at the far end which has been inserted into a kind of 'drain pipe' on the wall. Why? It could be a water column but is somewhat over-sized for the locos water capacity and you would think if water is coming down the pipe then  the connection should be the other way round with the 'down' pipe inside the 'up ' pipe.

I'm not holding out much hope of an answer but you never know!

Coming on late on this conversation but I agree with George and Connolly that this is a 'lever' or some part of the loco with the wall in the background and the rear bottom of the flue is broken creating the illusion of something curving up in to the pipe

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by DiveController

[DiveController]

On 9/11/2021 at 3:27 AM, Irishswissernie said:

 

 

I was wondering if anyone knew what the green van with Snail logo coupled to the luggage van behind the bottom of the water towers would be? Ex-GNR?

[Galteemore]

Yes, looks a bit like a Y5 van

[Lambeg man]

On 13/11/2021 at 8:37 PM, Galteemore said:

Yes, looks a bit like a Y5 van

While it is certainly ex-GNR, I think it may be a 'Y 4' as CIE did not get any 'Y 5' or 'Y 6'. 

[jhb171achill]

On 13/11/2021 at 8:34 PM, DiveController said:

I was wondering if anyone knew what the green van with Snail logo coupled to the luggage van behind the bottom of the water towers would be? Ex-GNR?

Yes, very definitely. CIE got one Y5 - No. 469, which would have become 469N, and it lasted until 1962 (in green). They had three Y4s at least, one of which made it to 1965, and for all I know might therefore have been repainted black'n'tan; and one Y3, for what it's worth, which lasted to 1966. 

[Irishswissernie]

Suffering a bit from "Carntbearsedtosis" today but no doubt it will pass. Here is 138 at Clonmel 21 March 1960, I already have John Dewing's black and white negative and recently acquired his original colour slide. 

 

 

[KMCE]

Super example of how these locos weathered over time.  You could pick any dark colour as a livery & be partially correct!

[jhb171achill]

23 minutes ago, KMCE said:

Super example of how these locos weathered over time.  You could pick any dark colour as a livery & be partially correct!

Indeed.

I have seen pictures of decent colour quality showing locomotives of the 400 and Woolwich classes, which look exactly the same, despite the fact that they are of locomotives known to be, at the time of photography, GREEN!

I must get round to posting pics of my two weathered J15s. These were delivered from 00 Works in GSR / CIE grey, but once weathered realistically look like this.

As often mentioned before, this is what made some GNR blue locos and CDR red ones look largely black, especially around the boiler and dome, and what led to the impression that most, rather than just some, of the CIE steam fleet in the 1950s were black rather than dark grey or even lined green.

[Irishswissernie]

GNRI today. First one 1953-04-21 Londonderry sta 133 9.25 to Belfast HCC78485b

Second was  1952-06-29 Dundalk shed 170

 

[Irishswissernie]

3 Guinness Brewery views from 1962 today. The colour view has suffered and this is the best I could do.

 

[KMCE]

I used to walk through that pedestrian tunnel (on the right above) a couple of times a day back in the early 90's.  Pedestrian tunnel was always clean and well lit, whilst the railway tunnel was kinda dark, damp, and cold.  Impressive to walk through the full rail tunnel - quite a long walk around the spiral though!!  It was possible to see between levels at some points where holes had developed (or made for new cabling) close to the walls - thickness of the floor was thinner than I would have expected .

Thanks for the photos, Ernie - that brought back some memories.....