Noel Posted May 17, 2017 Posted May 17, 2017 Video of IRM Ballast Wagons being transferred to Kingsbridge. Minister of Transport sanctions capital budget for purchase of IRM Ballast Wagons. Loading gauge trials successfully completed after transfer today. These Wagons are supremely produced. Well done team IRM. French farm unions question Kingsbridge management for reasons to circumvent EU tendering process. Kingsbridge management replied "They are simply the best, we wanted the best, so we got the best." Newly built B121 consisted with B181 to transfer new rake of IRM Ballast wagons [video=youtube;l-eToGhfLMU] Quote
The Derry Road Posted May 18, 2017 Posted May 18, 2017 Noel, nice piece of filming,TDR:tumbsup: Quote
Noel Posted May 18, 2017 Author Posted May 18, 2017 (edited) Excellent video.121 looks great A class video Noel, well done. Noel, nice piece of filming,TDR:tumbsup: Thanks guys. Glad you enjoyed. It was a team effort. I had the help of a WMRC member who operated the trains, sound and planned the sequences. I used a DSLR with long lens on a tripod, and an iPhone 6, but ironically the phone took much better video than the DSLR. DSLRs are pretty useless at video because the depth of field is too narrow, aperture is locked once REC is pressed, and AF during video is awful so I had to use MF. Phones are great in low light, AF, but too wide a field of view. Must get a little digicam for future use. Tripod really does help when recording video - doesn't make viewers seasick from camera movement. We only used about 5% of the footage we shot. The main objective was to get one continuous shot of the entire IRM ballast rake passing at platform eye level. A pal who used to be an RTE cameraman, and then went to work on films gave me some great advice years ago about video - avoid panning at all costs, and never zoom during a sequence. I had hopped to weather the IRM ballast wagons for the video but ran out of time. That's next months project. Anyway we had a fun evening operating trains hauling IRMs truly superb wagons. Two brown plough wagons are now on my future radar. But the main credit is due to team IRM Edited May 18, 2017 by Noel Quote
Warbonnet Posted May 18, 2017 Posted May 18, 2017 I used a DSLR with long lens on a tripod, and an iPhone 6, but ironically the phone took much better video than the DSLR. DSLRs are pretty useless at video because the depth of field is too narrow, aperture is locked once REC is pressed, and AF during video is awful so I had to use MF. Phones are great in low light, AF, but too wide a field of view. Must get a little digicam for future use. Tripod really does help when recording video - doesn't make viewers seasick from camera movement. What DSLR and lens were you using Noel? Quote
Noel Posted May 18, 2017 Author Posted May 18, 2017 Great video and love the B121! Thanks. Hoping to get it finished this weekend, but the arrival of the IRM wagons caused some degree of distraction and excitement so I'm way behind finishing B121 and B233. What DSLR and lens were you using Noel? Hi Fran, an old Nikon D5200 and a mix of an 18-200mm zoom, 35mm prime, and tried 12-24mm wide angle zoom for close in shots which proved useless. Personally live view on DSLRs just doesn't work for me, I prefer to look through the view finder and lens when videoing. Noel Quote
Warbonnet Posted May 18, 2017 Posted May 18, 2017 Thanks. Hoping to get it finished this weekend, but the arrival of the IRM wagons caused some degree of distraction and excitement so I'm way behind finishing B121 and B233. Hi Fran, an old Nikon D5200 and a mix of an 18-200mm zoom, 35mm prime, and tried 12-24mm wide angle zoom for close in shots which proved useless. Personally live view on DSLRs just doesn't work for me, I prefer to look through the view finder and lens when videoing. Noel Weird Noel, I use a Canon 80D (with nice mics of course) in the day job and for me, they piddle all over any camera phone. Personally find colour vibrancy much better with DSLR than phones. As excellent as the camera on iphone 6 and equivalent Samsung is, they always seem to be very 'grey' in their video colour to me in comparison. I'm not dismissing phones at all. Have an iPhone 6 myself and it's very good. They're very handy for video on the fly and I have used them for this, but I do prefer my DSLRs. My basic Nikon D3200 does nice video too, but I do admit I've not done much with it video wise. Was thinking of buying a second D5200 the other week actually, might swerve it now. Anyway, very good video overall. Really delighted that you're happy with the wagons and thanks for the custom! Quote
Noel Posted May 18, 2017 Author Posted May 18, 2017 Weird Noel, I use a Canon 80D (with nice mics of course) in the day job and for me, they piddle all over any camera phone. Personally find colour vibrancy much better with DSLR than phones. As excellent as the camera on iphone 6 and equivalent Samsung is, they always seem to be very 'grey' in their video colour to me in comparison. I'm not dismissing phones at all. Have an iPhone 6 myself and it's very good. They're very handy for video on the fly and I have used them for this, but I do prefer my DSLRs. My basic Nikon D3200 does nice video too, but I do admit I've not done much with it video wise. Was thinking of buying a second D5200 the other week actually, might swerve it now. Anyway, very good video overall. Really delighted that you're happy with the wagons and thanks for the custom! I agree with you totally about phones. Canon 80D is much better at video than all the mid range Nikons. Normally I use the DSLR only for stills. Going to replace current camera with a D7500, but again for still use. The D5200 has been great for stills over the past few years but awkward for indoor video use. Anyway congrats again you guys on the wagons, we had immense fun yesterday with them on the layout. There is so much fine detail on them we were very careful unboxing and handling them. Glad you liked the video. Quote
Warbonnet Posted May 18, 2017 Posted May 18, 2017 I agree with you totally about phones. Canon 80D is much better at video than all the mid range Nikons. Normally I use the DSLR only for stills. Going to replace current camera with a D7500, but again for still use. The D5200 has been great for stills over the past few years but awkward for indoor video use. Anyway congrats again you guys on the wagons, we had immense fun yesterday with them on the layout. There is so much fine detail on them we were very careful unboxing and handling them. Glad you liked the video. Yeah, it pains me to admit it as I do love my Nikon for stills but Canon has the video bit licked in comparison. The 80D is a lovely bit of kit. Must send you on some links for some mics for your phone that I've been researching which will add with sound, esp. with sound locos. Thanks once again! Quote
roxyguy Posted May 18, 2017 Posted May 18, 2017 DSLRS are great for video, a lot of short movies are shot on DSLRS. The problem is the depth of field which is very narrow when you are shooting small things close up - like trains. On wide or medium shots they will always have the edge over a phone because of the lens is much better. I've made quite a few shorts films using HD camcorders which are great all rounders for easy point and shoot operation. Quote
Noel Posted May 18, 2017 Author Posted May 18, 2017 DSLRS are great for video, a lot of short movies are shot on DSLRS. . . Hi Roxyguy. Canon 5D Mk3 has a great track record for professional video, not sure Nikon consumer DSLRs are quite at the same races for video. Cheers. Noel Quote
roxyguy Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Panasonic are doing a 4K camcorder for about 700euro, it looks and good and would have easy point and shoot operation versus a DSLR. I make short movies and I'll be shooting my next one on a DSLR, rather than a camcorder. I shot this recently on a DLSR and you can see the problem with the depth of field on close ups, no problem with medium to wide shots. Quote
skinner75 Posted May 19, 2017 Posted May 19, 2017 Maybe start a seperate thread on cameras? Over half the posts in this thread on IRM ballast wagons are on cameras. Starting a new thread with a relevant title would make it easier for people to find the info in the future Quote
Noel Posted May 19, 2017 Author Posted May 19, 2017 Maybe start a seperate thread on cameras? Over half the posts in this thread on IRM ballast wagons are on cameras. Starting a new thread with a relevant title would make it easier for people to find the info in the future Agree, mods if you feel like splitting this thread from post #5 and moving the relevant camera posts from #5 onwards to a new thread like "Filming layouts" in 'General Discussion' or 'Photos and videos of the Prototype' it would be appreciated. Apologies for thread drift. I have a few more pics of IRM Wagons I'd like to post here afterwards. Quote
Noel Posted May 28, 2017 Author Posted May 28, 2017 (edited) Some pics of IRM's stunning Ballast Wagons These wagon are simply exquisite with even more detailing becoming apparent as you study them close up. Recently weathered B141 up front Not sure yet about attempting to weather these beauties. The ballast load looks like it could possibly be dulled down, but it is actually the correct bright colour for freshly crush hard core stone straight out of the quarry. I may risk a very light dusting of frame dirt sprayed on the wagons, especially the lower half and axle boxes. Edited July 21, 2017 by Noel Quote
Glenderg Posted May 28, 2017 Posted May 28, 2017 Can I suggest a light wash on the load, it just makes the stone detail pop. 1 Quote
BosKonay Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 Sharing some great shots we had done for the Ballast packs. If anyone is still after a Pack 1 - there is 1 (literally 1 pack) remaining, and the other packs are in very short supply! Quote
Glenderg Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 How's all? As someone who's had a lifetime's worth of looking at ballast wagons, both real and small, I thought I'd try and get them to look closer to the real thing. Basic technique was a wash with goauche, deep brown and some Paynes Grey. As soon as is this is dry, most is taken off again just staying around joints and places where grime collects. Then some weathering using the AK Interactive range of weathering pigments. No airbrushing used, they never accumulated the level of track dirt that bubbles or any other stock received. Richie. 1 Quote
jhb171achill Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 That's got to be the single most realistic weathering effort that I've ever seen. And - as we know here - there is SERIOUS and plentiful competition for that title! Quote
Weshty Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Very, very sharp intake of breath here in SSM headquarters. That last photo is totally Fly. Well done sir, well done. Quote
JasonB Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 That's got to be the single most realistic weathering effort that I've ever seen. And - as we know here - there is SERIOUS and plentiful competition for that title! +1 Simply stunning Quote
PaulC Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 I'm not sure a wagon has ever been described as beautiful before but that's the word I'm going to use here. Just superb weathering produced there and by the sounds of it by using a very simple technique. Bravo. Paul Quote
Junctionmad Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Wow, Given my humble efforts at painting . This is light years away for me Quote
RedRich Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 It looks right Richie, everything has been looked at as to how they have weathered over time in traffic. The loading of the stone in particular. Des is spot on DIV 42 looks cool. It must be very satisfactory to see what began as an idea has come to fruition. The research on site, measuring, photographing, and drawing all before being sent out to China. What is really amazing is that these were announced 18 months ago, deposits were taken, some paid upfront and we have them in front of us now. A lot of people pre ordered and pre pay deposits fro models going back years without any sign of them from the manufacturers. Huge respect for getting them here in that time. I love the finescale look of some of the details, especially the lamp irons as they can often be a mess and need replacing on some models. Rich, Quote
chris Posted June 14, 2017 Posted June 14, 2017 What is really amazing is that these were announced 18 months ago, deposits were taken, some paid upfront and we have them in front of us now. A lot of people pre ordered and pre pay deposits fro models going back years without any sign of them from the manufacturers. Huge respect for getting them here in that time. 100% agree. It really is a credit to the team that set the ambitious time lines and got the job done. Showing no sign of let up with the bubbles either! Quote
RedRich Posted June 15, 2017 Posted June 15, 2017 100% agree. It really is a credit to the team that set the ambitious time lines and got the job done. Showing no sign of let up with the bubbles either! Plus the Tara's and a to be announced 4th project. Using the medium that Richie has used to weather these wagons also shows that it isn't all about airbrushing. Knowing Richie he would be delighted even if only one person stopped off at an art shop and picked up some gouache, brings it home and has a go at weathering their own wagons. A tube will last ages and if you are not happy remove it and start again. Rich, Quote
Noel Posted June 15, 2017 Author Posted June 15, 2017 Plus the Tara's and a to be announced 4th project. Using the medium that Richie has used to weather these wagons also shows that it isn't all about airbrushing. Knowing Richie he would be delighted even if only one person stopped off at an art shop and picked up some gouache, brings it home and has a go at weathering their own wagons. A tube will last ages and if you are not happy remove it and start again. Rich, What is gouache? Is it a specific colour, or a method, or a type of paint (i.e. acrylic or watercolour)? Quote
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