Colin R Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Hi, could someone tell me the difference between a Bredin, a Laminate and a Park Royal coach, please? Regards Colin
jhb171achill Posted March 1 Posted March 1 4 hours ago, Horsetan said: NCC "WT" tank. He only produced the body for it, and didn't get round to designing the chassis. Do you have a Bredin Third? 1 hour ago, Mol_PMB said: I’d be very interested in a Bredin composite if you have one. I'll fish them out today and PM you both. 2
Joe Keegan Posted March 1 Posted March 1 20 hours ago, Horsetan said: Would be better if the Backwoods loco kits were around to haul the things.... Marks Models has some Blackwoods miniature in stock that he got from a collection Worth a phone call 1
Mol_PMB Posted March 1 Posted March 1 3 hours ago, Colin R said: Hi, could someone tell me the difference between a Bredin, a Laminate and a Park Royal coach, please? Regards Colin Park Royals are the most distinctive. The saloon part of the body is wide and has longitudinal reinforcing ribs below the windows. The ends of the body are narrower and flat. The body is made of steel and they were built 1954-1956. They have a steel ‘triangulated’ underframe on commonwealth bogies, this underframe was also used on other types of coach. Laminates came after Park Royals, around 1956 to 1960. Same underframe and bogies, completely different body construction. Body frame and skin made of laminated panels, the skin was laminated from aluminium, plywood and insulation layers, with the aluminium on the outside. Body full width all along. Bredins are much older, 1930s. Wooden framed body with flush steel skin similar to contemporary LMS coaches. Steel underframe with turnbuckle truss rods. Several batches, with two different body cross-sections. There were other types too, plenty of coaches built 1950-1955 and some in the early 1960s that don’t fall into those three classifications though they were broadly similar in appearance. 2 2
Galteemore Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Thankfully examples of all are preserved. images from Downpatrick and RPSI . 1335 is a Bredin. 1918 Laminate 1944 Park Royal 6 1 1
Mol_PMB Posted March 1 Posted March 1 For completeness, the early 1950s carriages had bodies similar in construction to the Bredins. Mostly wooden, steel skin. The first few batches used a welded steel underframe of conventional type, the welded truss instead of a turnbuckle rod are the most consistent difference from the 1930s coaches. They continued with GSR type leaf sprung bogies. Those built around the 1954/55 period had the same body type but the triangulated underframe and commonwealth bogies. In the early 1960s there was a reversion to the same wooden frame, steel skin body construction with triangulated underframe and this time with heavier-duty commonwealth bogies, for a few small batches of coaches. There isn’t a commonly-used descriptive name for these, they’re not really Bredins, laminates or Park Royals. Then there was a technology shift with the Cravens, monocoque bodies and B4 bogies. 1
Colin R Posted March 1 Posted March 1 Thank you all, so having a mixture of all three types will not be a problem. The long-term project is to build a 4mm scale layout based on Downpatrick. The idea is that it is a cross-board terminal with trains going to and from both Belfast and Dublin. In reality, the station closed in the early 1950s, but in the model world, due to both local and international pressure, it remained open. Hence, the reason to have different Irish locos from all over visiting Downpatrick with special workings.
Colin R Posted March 1 Posted March 1 5 hours ago, Joe Keegan said: Marks Models has some Blackwoods miniature in stock that he got from a collection Worth a phone call Thanks, Joe. I have just sent him an email; as it is always worth finding out what he has, so I can pass the details on to the OOn3 group. regards Colin 1
Mol_PMB Posted March 2 Posted March 2 6 hours ago, Horsetan said: Mmm, salty.... After watching it I had an offer of 400 on this. Still not interested despite being fresh off an excellent RPSI railtour.
Horsetan Posted March 2 Posted March 2 15 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: After watching it I had an offer of 400 on this. Still not interested despite being fresh off an excellent RPSI railtour. £250 tops, if you can wangle it, I reckon. 1
Colin R Posted March 5 Posted March 5 On 1/3/2026 at 2:05 PM, Joe Keegan said: Marks Models has some Blackwoods miniature in stock that he got from a collection Worth a phone call Hi Guys Sorry to be a pain I wonder if someone can help me. I have been trying to call Marks Models on my mobile from the UK, but it appears it won't connect. I have also sent them an email (on Monday) as well. But so far, I have not had anything back. If anyone has been in contact with them about the Backwood kits, I would be grateful to find out which ones they have. thanks
Paul-B145 Posted March 5 Posted March 5 (edited) I called Mark's Models Hawkins St., Dublin a moment ago and they answered. The number called from an Irish mobile was (01) 671 5809 so presumably you would call international 353 1 671 5809. Hope that works. Paul Edited March 5 by Paul-B145 2
Tractionman Posted March 7 Posted March 7 Some MM locos in the Rails of Sheffield eBay store eg https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/206093547934
Mol_PMB Posted March 8 Posted March 8 Not a model but a slide of an unusual UTA vehicle - anyone know what the origins of this CCT were? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/397685364784
Colin R Posted March 9 Posted March 9 On 5/3/2026 at 7:28 PM, Broithe said: It would usually be 00 353 1 671 5809, from a UK phone. For some reason, O2 does not like to connect with the Irish phone system. I will have to try another email 1
Flying Snail Posted March 9 Posted March 9 (edited) 20 hours ago, Colin R said: For some reason, O2 does not like to connect with the Irish phone system. I will have to try another email Two things: First, it might be worth checking first whether your O2 plan includes international calls, just in case — that can sometimes be the reason a call won’t connect. If international calling is enabled, you should be able to dial Ireland using the standard international format: Start with + or 00 Then the country code Followed by the area code (without the leading 0) And finally the local number For Ireland, the country code is 353. Dublin’s area code is 01, which becomes 1 for international callers. Second, Marks Models has two Dublin numbers: 01 6715809 (city centre shop) 01 4124829 (Greenogue HQ, warehouse and shop that has pre‑owned stock) You should actually try to ring Greenogue as there's more staff there to answer the phone, and more importantly thats where their pre-owned stuff is located. So, from the UK to call Greenogue you’d dial: +353 1 412 4829, or 00353 1 412 4829 Edited March 10 by Flying Snail 3
mphoey Posted March 11 Posted March 11 On 28/2/2026 at 9:48 PM, leslie10646 said: My Giddy Aunt, those Enterprise coaches sold at over £200 a pop! Someone's got money! Was always a pity that these stopped been made along with the railcars he had
Mol_PMB Posted March 19 Posted March 19 This seller presently has a lot of IRM wagons for sale : https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_dkr=1&iconV2Request=true&_blrs=recall_filtering&_ssn=model-railway-emporium&store_cat=0&store_name=modelrailwayemporium&_oac=1&_nkw=irish There are several sets each of ballasts, gypsums, fertlisers, magnesite (including the 1-off farewell wagon), 42' flats with kegs and with spoil boxes. UK-based so the prices might work out a bit steep for those in Ireland.
Horsetan Posted March 19 Posted March 19 18 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: This seller presently has a lot of IRM wagons for sale : ..... UK-based so the prices might work out a bit steep for those in Ireland. That's basically the RRP plus a top-up.
leslie10646 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Ahheeeeeem. Dare I say it, but I have those on sale on this forum at a much more reasonable price. See "Too Modern for me" under For Sale where the prices reflect what I paid for them ...... 1
Mol_PMB Posted March 19 Posted March 19 To be clear, they're not my items and I have no connection with the seller. I was just trying to be helpful - there are some less commonly-available sets amongst them which may be of interest to some forum members who missed out the first time round. The seller has also just added some Taras, more ferts and some coaches. There may be more to come. By all means get them more cheaply from Leslie if he has the ones you want. From a different seller, NIR 8113: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/397732024596
leslie10646 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: To be clear, they're not my items and I have no connection with the seller. I was just trying to be helpful - there are some less commonly-available sets amongst them which may be of interest to some forum members who missed out the first time round. The seller has also just added some Taras, more ferts and some coaches. There may be more to come. By all means get them more cheaply from Leslie if he has the ones you want. From a different seller, NIR 8113: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/397732024596 Not knocking you, Paul. In fact you did me a favour, as I discovered I'd listed the same thing twice and had failed to show the Tara and the Ferts!!!!! I'll list those at the weekend at £80 a box. Now, that NIR Blue is very cheap according to my specialist in such things ....... 1
Mol_PMB Posted March 20 Posted March 20 not a model but a photo. We’re all familiar with the American locos in Ireland, but the American freight cars at Haulbowline, opposite Cobh, were very camera-shy: https://ebay.us/m/hZEkMT The IRRS archive has a couple more images of the freight cars here: https://flic.kr/p/2pwBEbH https://flic.kr/p/2pwDhL2
Celtic_transport Posted March 25 Posted March 25 (edited) plenty of baby gms up for sale on ebay atm. 121s https://ebay.us/m/flcGG3 https://ebay.us/m/3a3Nfv https://ebay.us/m/Y795eG https://ebay.us/m/px5vl4 https://ebay.us/m/zRDKZo 141s/181s https://ebay.us/m/c39fsX https://ebay.us/m/Ci6Guk https://ebay.us/m/dKOGJw https://ebay.us/m/rAOTXB https://ebay.us/m/wAtsTY https://ebay.us/m/3MuqWK Edited March 25 by Celtic_transport 3
Mol_PMB Posted March 25 Posted March 25 A bunch of A class now, from the same seller. Now, how much do I need a silver one...?
James Posted March 25 Posted March 25 Aye, All the stock seems to have just appeared. Kind of pricey but lots of it which is good to see! Hopefully get myself something nice if I don’t find anything in Bangor on Saturday
Mol_PMB Posted March 25 Posted March 25 The seller is a dealer - I guess they have acquired a collection and are putting all up for sale at once. There were a couple of 071s yesterday but they went very quickly. I agree the prices are a bit high (even for UK buyers like myself) but there are a few items in there that aren't seen for sale so often, and they do seem to be selling. For someone just getting into Irish modelling, the availability of second-hand stock is important. At any one time, the items available brand new and in stock usually don't complement each other to form a consistent train. (on which point, I note that 5 of the Park Royal types are now sold out!)
Patrick Davey Posted March 25 Posted March 25 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: (on which point, I note that 5 of the Park Royal types are now sold out!) Glad to hear they are proving popular, am really looking forward to my black & tan ones. And I see one of the Hunslets has sold out as well! Edited March 25 by Patrick Davey 1
Mol_PMB Posted March 25 Posted March 25 4 minutes ago, Patrick Davey said: Glad to hear they are proving popular, am really looking forward to my black & tan ones. And I see one of the Hunslets has sold out as well! I hadn't spotted the Hunslet! It must be good that these are close to selling out rather than ending up being remaindered. I guess there may be a few more available later if some people who have ordered don't complete their purchases. Here's hoping that IRM will announce something new once the Hunslets and Park Royals are delivered. 2
Patrick Davey Posted March 25 Posted March 25 4 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said: I hadn't spotted the Hunslet! It must be good that these are close to selling out rather than ending up being remaindered. I guess there may be a few more available later if some people who have ordered don't complete their purchases. Here's hoping that IRM will announce something new once the Hunslets and Park Royals are delivered. I enjoyed the updates from IRM about A class sales before and after they landed, would be good if this was revived. When the 800s were launched I remember Fran (I think?) saying that there had been enough interest to indicate some of them could sell out on pre-order so I wonder how they're going too..... 2
Mol_PMB Posted March 25 Posted March 25 It will be interesting to see how the ICRs fare. Part of me thinks that once they're here and have been shown off, there will be a rush to buy. But I'm not a gambling man. Meanwhile, over on eBay, NIR 113, with sound but in far from perfect cosmetic condition, has just sold for a mere £435.20 plus postage. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/397732024596 (P.S. I weakened and bought the silver A30, it was my significant birthday this month and postie didn't bring my Park Royals. Maybe they'll come for Christmas?)
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