Noel Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 User NileĀ over on rmweb posted interesting 3D 42ft container flat with FUD option (frosted ultra detail)Ā he's madeĀ for possible release on Shapeways. FUD option looks impressive compared to the normal WSF. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/130341-42ft-container-flat-wagon/?p=3013818 PhotosĀ below areĀ Nile's linked from his post over on rmweb via link above. Ā Ā Makes one wonder what is possible in 3D with the right mix of FUD and WSF parts.Ā 2 Quote
dave182 Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 That's interesting! But I'm wondering what the cost will be?! Quote
Noel Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 11 hours ago, dave182 said: That's interesting! But I'm wondering what the cost will be?! In the link below NeilĀ indicates a possibleĀ ā¬15 for WSF version and ā¬25 for FUD version. Ā Bare in mind you'll need to add the bogies and wheels as well as paint them, but its beginning to look a very interesting possibility. Ā Suggest keep an eye on his thread over on RMweb. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/130341-42ft-container-flat-wagon/?p=3017372 Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 Your at it again Noel WSF? FUD? From experience the older MIR flats were prone to distortion unless a 40' container was permanently glued to itĀ Quote
Broithe Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 15 minutes ago, WRENNEIRE said: Your at it again Noel WSF? FUD? From experience the older MIR flats were prone to distortion unless a 40' container was permanently glued to itĀ White, Strong, Flexible. Frosted, Ultra Detail. Quote
Warbonnet Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 I think RTR with a die cast chassis would make the most sense myself. Reminds me of the kit built v RTR thread elsewhere on this forum. But sure... 1 1 Quote
Noel Posted January 25, 2018 Author Posted January 25, 2018 51 minutes ago, WRENNEIRE said: Your at it again Noel WSF? FUD? WSF = Wrenneire Stuck For-words Ā FUD = ForumiteĀ Under Duress Ā 51 minutes ago, WRENNEIRE said: From experience the older MIR flats were prone to distortion unless a 40' container was permanently glued to itĀ Yes that can be a problem with resin. 3D plastic can be an advantageĀ for this sort of wagon as they stay straight and true withoutĀ warping. Ā I'm not sure about the weight though. Ā I have a rake of 20ft 3D container flats from another source and they run ok without loads in forward or when shunted in reverse. 2 Quote
aclass007 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 1 hour ago, Warbonnet said: I think RTR with a die cast chassis would make the most sense myself. Reminds me of the kit built v RTR thread elsewhere on this forum. But sure... That sounds the job alright...... Do we watch this space?Ā 1 Quote
Warbonnet Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 44 minutes ago, aclass007 said: That sounds the job alright...... Do we watch this space?Ā I would say so....Ā 3 1 Quote
NIRCLASS80 Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 47 minutes ago, Warbonnet said: I would say so....Ā Brilliant, Iāll take 18. ššš 1 1 2 Quote
Glenderg Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 Just a point of information here, the US ride control bogies shown are being phased out as they are a maintenance nightmare and I think there's only four sets left in use. The Sambre etĀ Meuse Y33 is not available rtr or kit, but the Bachmann Y25's at Ā£11 from Hattons is the closest available option.Ā 1 Quote
Junctionmad Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 SSM do a Y33 Bogie side frameĀ Ā Ā 1 Quote
Glenderg Posted January 25, 2018 Posted January 25, 2018 I know Des announced one here at ā¬15 a pair, but I hadn't seen it up on his site, hence the assumption that it wasn't available as a kit. Ā Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted January 26, 2018 Posted January 26, 2018 Always mystified me about the price of Bachmann bogies They do Bullied, Commonwealth, Collett, LMS, Thompson & the standard Mk 1 bogie for Ā£6.50 But a pair of B4's is Ā£10 and Y25 is Ā£11 Quote
Robert Shrives Posted February 1, 2018 Posted February 1, 2018 Hi Well put in for 3 with buffers and bogie centres, not too expensive around Ā£15 with brake wheels and transport from The Netherlands. Ā I have some Y33 / Y25 mislabled bogies to hand - they seem in shortĀ supply again so will try hunt down a few more pairs. Ā So now have around 20 Irish freight vehicles on the books, I guess Tara mines and fertiliser pallet wagons will make up the last. Ā I feel a sort of Killkenny through terminus layout with Ā NIR connection/ specials and a wagon repair facility or diverted trains to cope with rule one stock from across Ireland.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Quote
patrick Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 It would be nice to see a version with round buffers which are correct for the first batch of these wagons which had the US ride control bogies.Ā 2 Quote
Noel Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 The FUD at ā¬25 looks reasonable value with very fine finish. Ā Despite my lack of interest in post 1975 stock and anything as modern as a bogie wagon, I think I may have to order some of these for my 20ft C-Rail Bell containers, two per wagon. Ā Beats the heck out of sub standard resin or brass. Ā 3D is getting better and better all the time. 2 Quote
flange lubricator Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 Noel , the first 42' wagons went into traffic in 1971 on the B&I liner between Dublin -Cork , so would be seen hauled by B201's and B121's its a pity C rail don't do a B&I container , the only detail difference was they had round buffers the square appeared later . Ā 1 Quote
Noel Posted February 2, 2018 Author Posted February 2, 2018 Cheers. Memory is a strange beast, Ā I travelled a lot by rail in the 60s and 70s, but I have no nostalgia memory of bogie stock as a youngster, just loads corrugated open wagons and loads of h-vans. Ā It was mid 70s before I noticed Bells on rail. Ā Yes pity C-Rail don't do B&I line. Ā There used to be plenty of Hapag-Lloyd in waterford port too.Ā 1 Quote
flange lubricator Posted February 2, 2018 Posted February 2, 2018 Yes , memory can be strange they would have started appearing in 1971 they would not have been commonĀ here's a link to a picture of some on the B&I liner with a black and tan 121 from the O'Dea collection http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000307819 1 Quote
jhb171achill Posted February 3, 2018 Posted February 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Noel said: Cheers. Memory is a strange beast, Ā I travelled a lot by rail in the 60s and 70s, but I have no nostalgia memory of bogie stock as a youngster, just loads corrugated open wagons and loads of h-vans. Ā It was mid 70s before I noticed Bells on rail. Ā Yes pity C-Rail don't do B&I line. Ā There used to be plenty of Hapag-Lloyd in waterford port too.Ā Correct, Noel...it was 1970s (1971 specifically, as mentioned) so the 1960s were indeed all about four wheelers. And naturally, a black'n'tan loco could be seen on later container trains until the very last ones got Supertrain livery, which wasn't until about 1979. 1 Quote
Robert Shrives Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 HiĀ Just to say 3 arrived in a vast box from Shapeways - loads of bubble wrap to play with later! Ā Lovely prints and brake wheels also obtained very fine. Hopefully some time later this week to drill for bogies, hooks and brake pipes. Ā Should finish just in time for the RTR version and the A class to haul- just saying !!Ā Robert Ā Ā Ā Quote
Noel Posted February 14, 2018 Author Posted February 14, 2018 34 minutes ago, Robert Shrives said: HiĀ Just to say 3 arrived in a vast box from Shapeways - loads of bubble wrap to play with later! Ā Lovely prints and brake wheels also obtained very fine. Hopefully some time later this week to drill for bogies, hooks and brake pipes. Ā Should finish just in time for the RTR version and the A class to haul- just saying !!Ā Robert Ā Ā Ā Hi Robert. Ā Thanks for info. Ā Did you order FUD or WSF versions? Ā Which model did you go for A-1, A-2, A-3 or A-5 (i.e. mounts for Cambrian or Bachmann Y25 bogies, with or without buffers, etc)? Ā Thanks Noel PS: If you get a chance to post pics that would be great. Quote
ttc0169 Posted February 14, 2018 Posted February 14, 2018 The FUD version looks the business, I might try one or two as I have spare Bachmann Y25 bogies in the wagon shop. Quote
Robert Shrives Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 https://www.shapeways.com/product/BUHXQWWWQ/cie-42ft-container-flat-wagon-a-3?optionId=64659656& Ā If folk want a link directly to save ploughing through the Shapeways "lost engine."Ā Ā RobertĀ Quote
Noel Posted February 15, 2018 Author Posted February 15, 2018 Wow. I'm weakening despite these being before my era. Methinks a rake is in the offing. For 3D the FUD versions almost appear to beĀ bordering on IRM levels of quality even if not complete RTR (i.e. bogies, paintĀ and decals required to complete). WereĀ the original 42ft wagon chassisĀ later adapted by CIE for other purposes such as fertiliser wagons, and timber wagons, etc? Quote
flange lubricator Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 Yes these would be a good basis for a fert wagon , for the early 1970's round buffers and ride control bogies would have been more common and if C Rail did a B&I container it would be the business. 1 Quote
Noel Posted February 15, 2018 Author Posted February 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, flange lubricator said: Yes these would be a good basis for a fert wagon , for the early 1970's round buffers and ride control bogies would have been more common and if C Rail did a B&I container it would be the business. Agree B&I is indeed the missing link. 1 Quote
Blaine Posted February 15, 2018 Posted February 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, flange lubricator said: Yes these would be a good basis for a fert wagon , for the early 1970's round buffers and ride control bogies would have been more common and if C Rail did a B&I container it would be the business. If Arran at C-Rail can be provided with livery diagrams/photos and colour codes he would be happy to produce them 2 Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Just a wild guess troops but I reckon IRM might be doing these yokes in the not too distant future Hold on to your hard earned and relax. 3 1 Quote
Noel Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, WRENNEIRE said: On 30/8/2017 at 12:42 PM, Warbonnet said: Snippet start . . . Leading the way (by a nose!) is a bogie container flat. Most were for the humble 42ft flat to recreate those classic Bell and Guinness liners as well as modern day spoil wagons, but there's also love for the 47ft flat as below too. . . . Snippet end Just a wild guess troops but I reckon IRM might be doing these yokes in the not too distant future Hold on to your hard earned and relax. That's preciselyĀ what I was wondering when I first saw Neil's stunningly precise FUD models. Ā On the brink of pressing 'submit' for a rake over on Shapeways . . . and then remembered Fran's comment above from the thread below. Ā Waiting for the announcement on the 3rd may be prudent toĀ see if 42 footersĀ are to be project no 4 and what the ship date might be. Ā But project 4 might surprise us all and be aĀ different class of model altogether! Ā http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/6208-irish-railway-models-survey-you-have-spoken/ Ā Ā Quote
BosKonay Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Noel said: . Ā But project 4 might surprise us all and be aĀ different class of model altogether! Ā Ā Ā Or might not be project 4, but 4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 Quote
Railer Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 Thought the orange bubbles were project 4. Taras were 3. Quote
Noel Posted February 16, 2018 Author Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Railer said: Thought the orange bubbles were project 4. Taras were 3. Thought all the bubbles were really the same project no 2, hence the difference liveries of the identical modelsĀ were labelled packs A-F. Ā If my memory is not failing me I thought when firstĀ announced the Taras are named as project 3, but I'm sure the lads can clarify. 10 minutes ago, BosKonay said: Or might not be project 4, but 4,5,6,7,8,9 and 10 Intrigued Ā Looking forward to the meet up on the 3rd. It will be a class event.Ā Quote
Broithe Posted February 16, 2018 Posted February 16, 2018 What we really need is all this to be sorted out by somebody obsessed with boxes - is there anybody that we can think of? 2 Quote
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