CIE Standard coach (laminate stock)

[Weshty]

Don't underestimate the power of Thomas. Took the smalls to Mallow to see #4 stopping off in Mallow many moons ago. There is a plywood version of Thomas on the main platform that they drooled over whilst completely ignoring #4 right behind them. Kids eh?

[jhb171achill]

The layout of this coach would suggest it's a Bredin Buffet coach, would the colour scheme be the same in the Laminates?

 

 

It's internal characteristics have been changed by its new owners, not just the upholstery!

 

However, in the GSR "Bredin" era, no dining cars were built, just suburban and main line passenger stock in 1st and 3rd classes. (The GSR had abolished 2nd at an early stage).

 

The most modern stock in the 1930-56 period ran with elderly dining cars, a bit like early British Rail days; indeed, on the latter, wooden Gresley-era dining cars were operating with Mk 2's well into the 1970s, clad in modern BR "rail blue" and grey!

 

The 24XX series dining cars as in operation on the DCDR, and also several within the RPSI's care, are from the "laminate" era, but have solid wood framing and sre thus not technically "laminates" themselves. But they are almost the only "modern image" dining cars constructed by CIE prior to the introduction of the first all-steel coaches (Cravens).

[jhb171achill]

Yes, the whole "Thomas" thing was huge. Excellent for the hobby. I know of many current railway enthusiasts in general, both within and outside modelling worlds, who cut their teeth (perhaps literally) on Thomas, Annie, Clarabel and the Fat Controller....

[Weshty]

many current railway enthusiasts....who cut their teeth (perhaps literally) on Thomas, Annie, Clarabel and the Fat Controller....

 

Quote of the week.

[skinner75]

Yes, the whole "Thomas" thing was huge. Excellent for the hobby. I know of many current railway enthusiasts in general, both within and outside modelling worlds, who cut their teeth (perhaps literally) on Thomas, Annie, Clarabel and the Fat Controller....

 

Nice bit of modeling in the early series of Thomas, but it is all cgi now unfortunately

[jhb171achill]

Took me a while to work out what "cgi" means! Tis me age.

[Garfield]

Took me a while to work out what "cgi" means! Tis me age.

 

Cranky Geezer-Itis?

[GSR 800]

Your not missin much John. Even James isn't pleased about cgi ..

[Broithe]

The Rev wasn't too pleased about some of the later incarnations, either - the rewritten stories "Merely reveal their lamentable ignorance of railway matters! That such rubbish should be credited to me is a gross insult!"

 

http://www.pegnsean.net/~railwayseries/rss-gravytrain.htm

[jhb171achill]

I suppose that's just another indication of how far "proper" railways go back into history now; it's the very same reason behind a modeller or model producer turning out a fantastic, well researched and well built model - in the wrong colour!

 

But as I said before, it's not for lack of information. There are loads and loads of books showing correct liveries for just about anything that anyone would ever model nowadays.

[jhb171achill]

I'm really not trying to slag off Irish Freight Models, as what they do is absolutely fantastic to start with. Secondly, a livery error is easily put right, whereas, if for example they were making a model coach a scale 2ft too narrow, or 10ft too short, that would not be easy to remedy.

 

Hats off to them - or anyone - who takes such an initiative in what is certainly a very small and commercially highly risky market.

 

However - and I veer away from I F M as such now - just to illustrate perfectly why it is so vital for a museum to get a livery right - the RTR CIE goods brake van they advertise has black and white stripes on the ducket.

 

They were always yellow and black, except for one: the Cultra-painted one! Thus, an error by a museum charged with preserving things as they were becomes "fact", like the black-chassis "H" van on the DCDR, or the zebra-like black ironwork "Ivan" at Whitehead.

 

Doubtless, Irish Freight Models copied the Cultra one, and why not - they should have been able to rely on it.

[Alan564017]

google Mickey Flanagan on Thomas the Tank... priceless

[DiveController]

Took me a while to work out what "cgi" means! Tis me age.

A Correct Green Inspector;)

[jhb171achill]

hahaha brilliant!!

[Noel]

Christmas arrived slightly early. Delighted with Irish Freight models new CIE laminate coach. It is superb. Looks right at home in a mixed rake of MM Cravens, IFM Park Royal and IFM Laminate. Thanks and well done Tom and Irish Freight Models. Looking forward to getting a few more.

 

Edited July 21, 2017 by Noel

[Kirley]

Looks good Noel, any chance of close up pictures please?

[Noel]

Looks good Noel, any chance of close up pictures please?

Will do. Only had few mins and phone to hand. Will take proper pics with camera at the weekend.

[jhb171achill]

Absolutely top class job, superb. Great to see IFM adding to their excellent Park Royal, Murphy's Cravens, Mayner's vans, the SSM kits - as I said before, it's great to see so many prototypical Irish coaches available now.

 

That rake of carriages looks just like a 1971 photograph - brilliant!

[Railer]

Would love some close up shots, also of the Park Royals. I have never had a good look at them either. It does seem to fit in well with the Cravens at that angle.

[Noel]

Would love some close up shots, also of the Park Royals. I have never had a good look at them either. It does seem to fit in well with the Cravens at that angle.

 

Sure. Will take some more at the weekend when I get some time.

[Kirley]

Thanks Noel, could you include a roof shot to see the location of the roof vents, when I built mine I was working from pictures and had to guess the location of some of them. Hopefully Tom had access to roof drawings and his are accurate.

[ttc0169]

Looks the part Noel,well done IFM

[Glenderg]

Thanks Noel, could you include a roof shot to see the location of the roof vents, when I built mine I was working from pictures and had to guess the location of some of them. Hopefully Tom had access to roof drawings and his are accurate.

 

See the attached Kirley - Mainline Park Royal.pdf

 

Vent Locations and Roof Strapping indicated.

[Noel]

IFM CIE Laminate in a mixed rake. Two more poor phone shots from other angles.

 

 

 

PS: Forgive, but I enjoy my own imaginary model railway world hence the mix of Irish and UK steam stock predominantly pre 1975.

Edited July 21, 2017 by Noel

[jhb171achill]

A "Black Five" on the scenic Ballina branch would be quite a sight!

[Kirley]

See the attached Kirley - [ATTACH]20582[/ATTACH]

 

Vent Locations and Roof Strapping indicated.

 

Thanks Richie but is the Laminates roof vent locations I'm after.

 

Thanks Noel for the extra photos. The 2 sets of double roof vents in an open compartment are unusual, I wonder why?

[jhb171achill]

We can now create typical passenger trains of the 1960-70 period quite easily.

 

While three-quarters of a century apart in design, it's hard to believe nowadays that as late as 1963, tatty old six-wheelers were the "standard" secondary line stock of the day. By the late 50s / early 60s, most survivors were of MGWR origin. Many trains ran at that time with a brand-new "laminate" or "Park Royal" sandwiched between an ancient Midland six wheeler and maybe a newish tin van! Add a cattle truck to the back and there ye go...

[Warbonnet]

Nice pics Noel. How much are the coaches?

[Blaine]

IFM CIE Laminate in a mixed rake. Two more poor phone shots from other angles.

 

 

 

 

For that money Id want something that is not 3D printed and has flush glazing along with correct decoration. For that money you could buy 2 MM Cravens.

 

Time for people to vote with their feet. So what if it is Irish and RTR. Its wrong and people need to speak up and not embrace it cos its Irish and therefore flawless

[Sulzer201]

Well done Noel a nice representation, and rake of coaches.

[jhb171achill]

I have to say I think they look fine - and as I said elsewhere, it's nothing but good news to see anything RTR and Irish. The Park Royal looked good too.

 

In terms of pricing, I think we all have to accept that in the normal course of things, manufacture of Irish RTR stuff is simply nog commercially viable. Thus, we either pay a premium price or don't get anything at all.

 

Nothing made by any Irish manufacturer is exactly cheap, and being realistic nor can it be. So it's possibly-pricey stuff or no stuff, in most cases.

[RedRich]

I think if you take what Ed has said in context they are not in the same ball park as the MM Cravens in fact they are not even the same sport. The standard has been set high with the GM's and Cravens and I would not run them in the same rake myself. I wouldn't particularly class them as good news like I would the ballast wagon venture. However it is up to the individual.

 

Rich,

[DiveController]

For that money Id want something that is not 3D printed and has flush glazing along with correct decoration. For that money you could buy 2 MM Cravens.

 

Time for people to vote with their feet. So what if it is Irish and RTR. Its wrong and people need to speak up and not embrace it cos its Irish and therefore flawless

Ed, can you elaborate on what's wrong with the IFM stock, please? Obviously they're 3D printed (which I didn't know)and not flushed glazed (which I did). What details are not correct?

 

I agree they are expensive probably as they are hand made rather than produced in bulk but I had expected they would be prototypically correct for that price. On the positive side there is a better variety of stock to run which is still better than no stock. I really like the IRModels wagon (and purchased a rake) but unfortunately it's one wagon at a time just like MM

[Noel]

Doh wish this hadn't got negative.

 

For me personally it was good news and quite simple. I wished to have some CIE Park Royals and Laminates of a good enough quality to make formations to run with my Black and Tan era MM 141s and MM Cravens, and to that end they 'do what they say on the tin' more than nicely. Like anybody I wish they cost less but they are worth paying for rare specialist RTR models produced in tiny volumes. There is obviously no way small volumes can be produced to the same standard as higher volume injection moulded plastics, nor at the same price. But here's the rub, they are more than good enough for many folk, and better than anything I could build from a kit (ie probably botched joints, bent panels, poor paint job, etc). The paint job on these RTRs was actually quite good.

 

(Not replying to anybody in particular, and not trying to start a bun fight). There has occasionally on this forum been the odd hint of 'modellers snobbery' or 'superiority complex' where small producers of Irish RTR stock get knocked or suffer undue levels of negativity. Well I for one am glad these small producers are meeting a demand, just as I am delighted with the top notch quality of MM GMs and MM Cravens, and equally enthusiastic about the launch of IRM.

 

To have a CIE laminate or not that is the question? Last week I didn't, this week I do, it looks well with the other coaches, and that's all that matters to me personally. I don't have the time, health nor skills to build ultra fine scale models from kits, so thank you IFM for your Park Royals and Laminate coaches. I will be ordering more. Equally I do however applaud and congratulate those who have the skills and time to build and finish their own stock to a high standard.

Edited November 5, 2015 by Noel

[burnthebox]

Very well said one & all regarding the Irish ( small manufacturers ) who have made the effort to produce rtr Irish rolling stock to such a totally mega standard which we, who are so privileged to have these people in or midst should at all times be complimented for their efforts, & yes they do charge a fee for their efforts, & as I only process a very few of these rtr items yet when I can I will buy even if it's considered highly priced at least there produced ! not like those who have evidentely never learnt the meaning of " put up or SHUT UP "