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IRISH SEMAPHORE SIGNALS

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How's the men?  Question for ye that I need a bit of help on.  Going back to the days of the beautiful semaphore signals, which made the railways more alive - I can only remember the signal posts being a round post, with the only exception I saw wad at Malahide signal cabin.  Mullingar were all round, as was Edgeworth town and Longford.  Was there square posts used around the net?  Pics please if possible and many thanks in advance,  Seamus

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36 minutes ago, heirflick said:

How's the men?  Question for ye that I need a bit of help on.  Going back to the days of the beautiful semaphore signals, which made the railways more alive - I can only remember the signal posts being a round post, with the only exception I saw wad at Malahide signal cabin.  Mullingar were all round, as was Edgeworth town and Longford.  Was there square posts used around the net?  Pics please if possible and many thanks in advance,  Seamus

Growing up in NI on the NCC I only ever remember square posts - think GNRI was the same. I suspect most Irish lines had square or rectangular posts until tubular steel ones came in.

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Very much so. In the 32 counties, square (and the occasional lattice) were absolutely the norm always. 

CIE introduces the round versions which started becoming common on the CIE network in the 1960s, when (also) the reflective surfaces started replacing red (NOT orange) and white paint on homes, and yellow and black paint on distants.

Lower quadrant signals were universal (whereas upper were in Britain usually), with the NCC alone using lower quadrant “Somersault” types. 

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I confess I never liked CIE round post prototypes, always preferred solid square and lattice signal posts. Just me I guess. Probably caused by building ratio signal kits in the 70s which were nearly always square, and also caused by period drama on BBC/ITV which always seemed to have square post signals

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Larne Harbour had the only upper quadrant signals in Ireland. These were installed in 1933 by the LMSNCC when the station was remodelled. 

The GNR used unpainted round 'telegraph pole' type posts for many of it's signals. 

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The GNR used the telegraph pole types alongside "square" ones, in many locations. Mostly, telegraph pole ones were out'n'about, with "square" ones mostly in stations - but this was not exclusive.

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1 hour ago, David Holman said:

Saxby and Farmer equipment used by some lines, not least SLNCR.

Indeed - and the SLNC had at least one round post signal, achieved by mounting a semaphore arm on a telegraph pole! 

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I must consult jhb171Senior's photos of Enniskillen.....and the NCC.....

The SLNCR, and nearby Donegal railways, had all manner of oddball signals, some very home-made looking. I recall seeing two photos of strange looking shortish posts on signals on the Cavan and Leitrim somewhere.

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Some photos of signals in athy and a sad sight in tuam also a  photo of jim bayle beside semaphore signals in enniscorthy whose first anniversary was the end of may and is sadly missed

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Excellent pics there warb - thanks for sharing and thanks all for the replies!👍🏻

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Here are two examples from my collection. The colour photo is the down home and loop signal at Kilcock station from the early 1970's.  The B & W is of the up loop starter at the same station in 1974. Hope this informs the discussion. Cheers. Eamonn

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It depends on the time period of the model. Timber square post signals would have been very common, all over, 100 years ago. There was a fair amount of lattice post signals, particularly on the DSE. The GNR seem to have used the telegraph pole in their later years, as an economy measure, as they don't seem to feature in earlier photos (but someone's bound to prove me wrong on that now). There was a small number of concrete post signals. The GSR introduced tubular metal signals and CIE continued, so with renewals, these became most common on CIE lines.

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Found this pic online - beautiful set of signals from way back on the Galway line at Mullingar...

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14 minutes ago, heirflick said:

Found this pic online - beautiful set of signals from way back on the Galway line at Mullingar...

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Possibly MGWR signal Seamus. Signals controlling the down running line from the platform end to Mullingar West box and connection to the loco depot.

The Midland appears to have introduced concrete signal posts at some stage before the Amalgamation (signal beside the loco shed Loughrea http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/Railway Stations L/Loughrea/IrishRailwayStations.html#Loughrea_20080327_008_CC_JA.jpg).

Besides the DSER the  GSR  used lattice posts possibly to replace timber posts at some stations on the Midland (Up starting signal Loughrea)

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NCC wooden square post 'Somersault' at ANTRIM somewhat different to the ex GNRI wooden square posts on their branch into the station. The Crossing gate design looks interesting too.

Ernie

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The DSER appeared to favour the lattice post signals on the line.

 

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This one being from the up platform with the shunting signal for the headshunt.  

They had some very interesting rotating shunting signals, both ground and post mounted.  The signal on the post is the same type as below.

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The post and ground signals are preserved on the down platform.

 

Ken

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