B141 Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 A model of GSWR 90 would be lovely please Would be perfect for any steam era or early 1990s layout 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 24 minutes ago, B141 said: A model of GSWR 90 would be lovely please Would be perfect for any steam era or early 1990s layout And a particularly LONG steam era; the thing was built in 1875, and remained in (albeit selective and limited) traffic until this side of 1960! Nice choice of liveries too - GSWR lined green (with both variations of lining); GSWR lined black, grey (1915-1957/8 - most of its life) and for its last year or 18 months shunting in Cork, plain black. For even the smallest possible shunting layout it would be great with just a few trucks to shuffle about.......... However, it's so tiny - the real thing is a nightmare to work on (as I did once) if you are built much larger than a typical underweight nine year old. You need to be half that size to oil it underneath. Thus; how would you ever get a DCC chip into an 00 scale one! A challenge, if ever there was one..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Cundick Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 Theres a reasonable amount of space if you use the tanks i built 90 for Courtmacsherry and found it a pretty simple one to motorise somewhere theres most of 100 to complement her .Andy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 On 8/2/2023 at 5:34 PM, murphaph said: You're not implying the IRM lads are deliberately maintaining a great wall of silence are you?? They can't post as they're laughing too hard at all of us numpties and our ramblings. 13 hours to go and will there be an announcement? GSR 800? J15? P47? 071? Two-tone green Dublin buses? A B&I ferry? New IRM factory in the Canary islands? Or another week of dashed hopes and dreams? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 4 hours ago, B141 said: A model of GSWR 90 would be lovely please Would be perfect for any steam era or early 1990s layout Mark dunlea does fantastic 3d prints of these that you an just plonk onto any old terrier chassis…. the quality is the best I have seen, even surpassing JM designs commissioned work from china, as mark has access to DELL computers 3D printers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Mark’s “90” bodies are great (and to be applauded!), but the commercially available chassis options don’t match. A commercial manufacturer would probably need a purpose-built chassis - pushing a price for a realistic model to telephone numbers for such a small, and to be fair, restricted operational prototype, beyond commercially viable parameters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 hours ago, jhb171achill said: Mark’s “90” bodies are great (and to be applauded!), but the commercially available chassis options don’t match. A commercial manufacturer would probably need a purpose-built chassis - pushing a price for a realistic model to telephone numbers for such a small, and to be fair, restricted operational prototype, beyond commercially viable parameters. The biggest issue I think with marks 90 is that it won’t fit the circa 2019 new Terrier chassis. Which runs much better, is to a better scale and is better for DCC users its deffinetly not perfect. But i don’t see a decently proportioned kit never mind IRM doing GSWR no.90 anytime soon! I have been contemplating making my own static chassis for 90 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connollystn Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 The KQA pocket container wagons would be a great addition to any layout and wouldn't be surprised is they were among the major announcements this year. They've been a long time coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOGUL Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, connollystn said: The KQA pocket container wagons would be a great addition to any layout and wouldn't be surprised is they were among the major announcements this year. They've been a long time coming. Dapol already do KQA pocket wagons.. Surely that would be an accurascale product rather than an IRM one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, MOGUL said: Dapol already do KQA pocket wagons.. Surely that would be an accurascale product rather than an IRM one? Is there anything that the Irish and British pocket platforms share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 53 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said: The biggest issue I think with marks 90 is that it won’t fit the circa 2019 new Terrier chassis. Which runs much better, is to a better scale and is better for DCC users its deffinetly not perfect. But i don’t see a decently proportioned kit never mind IRM doing GSWR no.90 anytime soon! I have been contemplating making my own static chassis for 90 A 3D printed chassis block in a FDM or SLS material should be feasible, Richard Hobbs produced a Shapeways print of an GNR JT 2-4-2T with a 3D printed chassis. Chassis block could be designed to take "top hat" bearings available from UK suppliers like Gibson or Markits. Coupling rods probably best laser cut from a company like PPD. Wheels potentially the biggest challenge 90 has unusual wheels with H shaped cast Iron spokes, Tim Cramer made a set from carriage wheels for a scratch built No90 that appeared in the Modeller during the late 60s/early 70s. GSWR diagrams of No90 don't specify a wheel size but a Markits or Gibson 3'6" Industrial wheel appears close in dia. A small gearbox and motor from Branchlines probably the best option for motorising, gearboxes are less fiddly to assemble and fewer small parts to loose than the more sophisticated high Level gearboxes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 On 27/1/2023 at 5:50 PM, Fowler4f said: Will we see an announcement from IRM before the end of January as Accurascale have done, or shall we have to wait till February or beyond ? T minus 90 minutes... Maybe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Mayner said: A 3D printed chassis block in a FDM or SLS material should be feasible, Richard Hobbs produced a Shapeways print of an GNR JT 2-4-2T with a 3D printed chassis. Chassis block could be designed to take "top hat" bearings available from UK suppliers like Gibson or Markits. Coupling rods probably best laser cut from a company like PPD. Wheels potentially the biggest challenge 90 has unusual wheels with H shaped cast Iron spokes, Tim Cramer made a set from carriage wheels for a scratch built No90 that appeared in the Modeller during the late 60s/early 70s. GSWR diagrams of No90 don't specify a wheel size but a Markits or Gibson 3'6" Industrial wheel appears close in dia. A small gearbox and motor from Branchlines probably the best option for motorising, gearboxes are less fiddly to assemble and fewer small parts to loose than the more sophisticated high Level gearboxes. I’ll need to find all those Tim Cramer articles…. I think actually there is GSR drawings of 90 somehere with the wheel diameter. That will require a deep dive into the archives I have seen 3D printed chassis being done. Infact o have seen a guy do 463 fully 3d printed. It was a bit light and a bit hard to construct but it looked the buisness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) Duplicate post - sorry ! Edited February 13, 2023 by Galteemore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connollystn Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 With it being St Valentin'e Day tomorrow it's likely that the lovely guys at IRM Towers will make that all important 'Major' announcement - I'll be expecting a card in the post! Mind, Noel got nothing from them for his birthday which was last week and all he ended up with was two Munster Rugby tops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 46 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said: I’ll need to find all those Tim Cramer articles…. I think actually there is GSR drawings of 90 somehere with the wheel diameter. That will require a deep dive into the archives I have seen 3D printed chassis being done. Infact o have seen a guy do 463 fully 3d printed. It was a bit light and a bit hard to construct but it looked the buisness The drivers were 3’ 8.5” diameter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 42 minutes ago, connollystn said: With it being St Valentin'e Day tomorrow it's likely that the lovely guys at IRM Towers will make that all important 'Major' announcement - I'll be expecting a card in the post! Mind, Noel got nothing from them for his birthday which was last week and all he ended up with was two Munster Rugby tops. An announcement tomorrow would lead to the dissolution of many relationships! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said: An announcement tomorrow would lead to the dissolution of many relationships! Roses are red violets are blue if you buy any more railway models your wife is likely to divorce you. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Westcorkrailway said: I’ll need to find all those Tim Cramer articles…. You know what I meant to write to the guy ages ago about all of this, I am told that he has a stack of drawings as well. can anyone visit him and to find out? Colin Rainsbury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Cundick Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Mayner said: A 3D printed chassis block in a FDM or SLS material should be feasible, Richard Hobbs produced a Shapeways print of an GNR JT 2-4-2T with a 3D printed chassis. Chassis block could be designed to take "top hat" bearings available from UK suppliers like Gibson or Markits. Coupling rods probably best laser cut from a company like PPD. Wheels potentially the biggest challenge 90 has unusual wheels with H shaped cast Iron spokes, Tim Cramer made a set from carriage wheels for a scratch built No90 that appeared in the Modeller during the late 60s/early 70s. GSWR diagrams of No90 don't specify a wheel size but a Markits or Gibson 3'6" Industrial wheel appears close in dia. A small gearbox and motor from Branchlines probably the best option for motorising, gearboxes are less fiddly to assemble and fewer small parts to loose than the more sophisticated high Level gearboxes. Have to say i disagree about the gearbox choice High Level boxes are a much better proposition they are easy to put together and unlike Branchlines boxes the motor is removable after the box is assembled.As for rods Alan Gibson of Lanarkshire Models do quite a range rods including "Universal " sets which is what i used for 90 and 100.The Tim Cramer drawing was in the MRC May 1972,Page 184.Andy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler4f Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 2 hours ago, connollystn said: With it being St Valentin'e Day tomorrow it's likely that the lovely guys at IRM Towers will make that all important 'Major' announcement - I'll be expecting a card in the post! Mind, Noel got nothing from them for his birthday which was last week and all he ended up with was two Munster Rugby tops. That was me and I got an IRFU fleece as well that I proudly wore on Saturday with my green jersey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connollystn Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Fowler4f said: That was me and I got an IRFU fleece as well that I proudly wore on Saturday with my green jersey. That was very wise of you hiding your Munster jersey behind that fleece as you don't want to be displaying that at the home of Leinster Rugby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOGUL Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 7 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said: Is there anything that the Irish and British pocket platforms share? Manufacturer and design concept.. Not sure if much else beyond that.. Different lengths and bogies, plus the existing Dapol model make an IRM/Accurscale overlap model unlikely.. Lots of other wagons to be done first in both ranges 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connollystn Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Ah! No announcement today as the lads finish up at 1700 (5 o' clock p.m.). Anyway, I've to be up early in the morning to greet the postman as I expect a load of cards [not birthday] so will be distracted for most of the day...... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin R Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I think I missed the original post did they say February 2023 or just any February to come? just saying 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, MOGUL said: Manufacturer and design concept.. Not sure if much else beyond that.. Different lengths and bogies, plus the existing Dapol model make an IRM/Accurscale overlap model unlikely.. Lots of other wagons to be done first in both ranges So while nice, they don't fit that modular / multi-use mindset that most IRM products to date have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOGUL Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said: So while nice, they don't fit that modular / multi-use mindset that most IRM products to date have. You could probably find some overlap to come up with some sort of modular construction that could reduce the costs versus tooling two seperate wagons for each market.. Plus the Irish bogie is already available in the IRM range.. But even in terms of interest, the CPWs would likely be much lower on people’s list than say an LX flat or an Ammonia(which has a very similar UK prototype for Accurascale).. They only ran 2003-2005 and then intermittently between about 2011 and 2019.. I know I would be happy to stick with my resprayed Dapol KTA/KQA which look pretty close when loaded with 2 empty tanks or a 40ft container for the next 3-4 years, rather than splash out for new models at the expense of say the MK2s or an extra ICR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 A 25436 Series Flat-Pallet Cement-Beet Double would be an obvious candidate for IRMs modular approach. The flats were introduced into traffic as a general purpose flat wagon in the Mid-60s, retrofitted with cuplocks following the introduction of ISO containers (8' high) in the late 60s. The Pallett Cement and Beet Double wagons were converted from redundant 25436 Series Flats displaced by bogie and skeletal flat wagons capable of carrying 8'6" containers. Some steel floored flats remained in service principally for carrying Bitumen and Oil Containers. The Pallet Cement wagons were originally built with double vertically opening doors. The vertical doors were replaced by curtains siders on an an-adhoc basis from the late 80s onwards as doors required replacement. 3 wagons several variations. 1. 25436 Flat as introduced grey with fold down stanchions, (a) 1960s era CIE containers and Lancashire Flats (b) Late 60s 8' ISO containers CIE, Bell, B&I, Guinness 20' Lancashire Flat swap body., Back-Back Lancashire flat/swap body. 2. 25436 Flat brown (a) Late 60s 8' ISO containers CIE, Bell, B&I, Guinness 20' Lancashire Flat swap body., Back-Back Lancashire flat/swap body. (b) 8' Bitumen Container. 4. Bagged cement as introduced blue with Irish Cement Logo balanced doors 5. Bagged cement blue no logo balanced doors 6. Bagged cement curtain sider 7. Beet double. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 The most glaring omissions are carriages and railcars pre-Mk 2 times. Timber framed / bodied coaches of NCC, GNR & GSR origin are needed, as are CIE laminates, Bredins & Park Royals. But above all, the AEC railcar. You simply can't have a 1950-75 layout on the UTA, CIE or GNR without them - especially CIE. They were the ICRs of their day. A very large number of passenger trains were operated exclusively by them - as far afield as Cork to Bantry and Waterford to Tramore! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connollystn Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 11 hours ago, jhb171achill said: The most glaring omissions are carriages and railcars pre-Mk 2 times. Timber framed / bodied coaches of NCC, GNR & GSR origin are needed, as are CIE laminates, Bredin's & Park Royals. Would be nice to see some of the early CIE stock being produced as my silver and black A class locomotives are redundant at the moment. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 a) John M - are you trying to put me out of business? b) Jon B - As I have said many times, I have two AEC sets and don't need any more ...... It won't be b) anyway, as they're doing these Rotten (did I spell that right?) things ..... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, leslie10646 said: b) Jon B - As I have said many times, I have two AEC sets and don't need any more ...... Ah, but I do! Two x two-car sets will see me OK, maybe three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, leslie10646 said: a) John M - are you trying to put me out of business? b) Jon B - As I have said many times, I have two AEC sets and don't need any more ...... It won't be b) anyway, as they're doing these Rotten (did I spell that right?) things ..... You could always buy shares in IRM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 minute ago, DJ Dangerous said: You could always buy shares in IRM. After the $417,000,000 I've already invested? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 22 hours ago, Mayner said: 1. 25436 Flat as introduced grey with fold down stanchions, (a) 1960s era CIE containers and Lancashire Flats (b) Late 60s 8' ISO containers CIE, Bell, B&I, Guinness 20' Lancashire Flat swap body., Back-Back Lancashire flat/swap body. 2. 25436 Flat brown (a) Late 60s 8' ISO containers CIE, Bell, B&I, Guinness 20' Lancashire Flat swap body., Back-Back Lancashire flat/swap body. (b) 8' Bitumen Container. 4. Bagged cement as introduced blue with Irish Cement Logo balanced doors 5. Bagged cement blue no logo balanced doors 6. Bagged cement curtain sider 7. Beet double. 1 & 2 are a wee bit too late or much too early for me but 4-7 I would certainly be in the market for! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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