Irish Royalty - Park Royal Coach Next For IRM

[derek]

Sorry one more thing. Will the livery be same as 027?. I,m going to guess yes.......... Hopefully

[murphaph]

Did any Park Royals make it to 1994 with a single 6" stripe like some of the Cravens did? 

[Noel]

20 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Did any Park Royals make it to 1994 with a single 6" stripe like some of the Cravens did? 

Yes. 1984 photo (C) Steve Rabone. As I remembered the Park Royals, I never saw them in Tippex myself.

https://www.steverabone.com/RailwayPhotographs/ireland_1984.htm

Have four of these with Kadee couplings. They will be joined by IRM versions. Two of these, two craven, two laminates and a HLV or GSV and you have an Irish passenger train from the 1960s through to the 1980s. Always mixed rakes of 'all kinds of everything'. Delighted to hear the IRM versions will be lit and have an anti-flicker capacitor. My personal nostalgia memory is main line versions with the big white WC window. Great news this era will be covered and some company for the early livery A classes too.

 

 

[murphaph]

Cheers Noel, yeah I'm familiar with the 1984 Rabone images but any from 10 years later in that condition I wonder. I would have almost expected fewer PRs to get tippexed than the Cravens but I would like to know for sure.

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Well I thought I had pre-ordered but got an email asking me to complete my purchase , even though I presumed it was payment when they were ready for dispatch, I contacted the lads and was told to proceed as instructed, I tried again but was asked for a credit card, I have never had a credit card, I usually pay with PayPal, I'm rightly pi&&ed off 

[Chris Morris]

HI guys, can I ask does anything have any information on what a rack would look like normally?

[murphaph]

12 minutes ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Well I thought I had pre-ordered but got an email asking me to complete my purchase , even though I presumed it was payment when they were ready for dispatch, I contacted the lads and was told to proceed as instructed, I tried again but was asked for a credit card, I have never had a credit card, I usually pay with PayPal, I'm rightly pi&&ed off 

Did you reach out to them about it?

6 minutes ago, Chris Morris said:

HI guys, can I ask does anything have any information on what a rack would look like normally?

That depends entirely on the era and location/service. When and where are you looking to model?

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

25 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Did you reach out to them about it?

That depends entirely on the era and location/service. When and where are you looking to model?

I sure did, just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat.

PS, just got the latest reply, they are sorry, they cannot process the order with PayPal, it's frustrating.

Edited May 1, 2023 by Gabhal Luimnigh

[Georgeconna]

1 hour ago, Chris Morris said:

HI guys, can I ask does anything have any information on what a rack would look like normally?

Dont think we are allowed to put those kinda of pictures up here.;)

 

[BosKonay]

52 minutes ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

I sure did, just wondering if anyone else is in the same boat.

PS, just got the latest reply, they are sorry, they cannot process the order with PayPal, it's frustrating.

You can pay with Paypal but the preorder system needs a card to secure your order (like booking a hotel)

We take all debit and credit cards so your regular bank account debit card will do. We don’t actually charge it just perform a preauth. 

When the time comes we’ll send you a payment link and you can use all supported methods. 

Mathis method allows us to keep things automated so costs low and allows us the option to take orders with no money down and not need a deposit. 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

16 minutes ago, BosKonay said:

You can pay with Paypal but the preorder system needs a card to secure your order (like booking a hotel)

We take all debit and credit cards so your regular bank account debit card will do. We don’t actually charge it just perform a preauth. 

When the time comes we’ll send you a payment link and you can use all supported methods. 

Mathis method allows us to keep things automated so costs low and allows us the option to take orders with no money down and not need a deposit. 

Ya I understand all that but I don't have and never had a bank account, credit card or debit card, I use the stuff we had years ago called money , it's still legal tender in my house

[BosKonay]

3 minutes ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

Ya I understand all that but I don't have and never had a bank account, credit card or debit card, I use the stuff we had years ago called money , it's still legal tender in my house

if you have paypal you have a bank account

Otherwise Fran will happily take cash at the october show if we’ve any left

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

2 minutes ago, BosKonay said:

if you have paypal you have a bank account

Otherwise Fran will happily take cash at the october show if we’ve any left

What is the bank ? I don't understand you

[Ironroad]

32 minutes ago, Gabhal Luimnigh said:

What is the bank ? I don't understand you

How do you fund your paypal account? 

A paypal account must be linked to a bank account or a credit card account from which paypal draws money to cover the payments you make via paypal.   A paypal account may also be funded  via the receipt of money from others (eg a sale on Ebay) in which case you can carry a balance with paypal which can be used to fund purchases you pay with paypal.  But it seems to me in all cases the money moving through paypal is coming from either bank or credit card accounts.

 

 

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

1 minute ago, Ironroad said:

How do you fund your paypal account? 

A paypal account must be linked to a bank account or a credit card account from which paypal draws money to cover the payments you make via paypal.   A paypal account may also be funded  via the receipt of money from others (eg a sale on Ebay) in which case you can carry a balance with paypal which can be used to fund purchases you pay with paypal.  But it seems to me in all cases the money moving through paypal is coming from either bank or credit card accounts.

 

 

Well you are incorrect, I already said I don't have a bank account, I get paid for some of my jobs through PayPal and therefore have a balance sometimes, I don't tell lies by the way.

[Ironroad]

Sir, I regret becoming involved in this conversation.  I did not suggest you were lying, but what you are saying doesn't make sense to me and it would be helpful if you would enlighten us as you obviously know something about the operation of a paypal account that I don't.  If you read my posting you will note I did acknowledge that a paypal account may be funded "via the receipt of money from others" but that still leaves the question, how do you withdraw that  money?  

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

1 minute ago, Ironroad said:

Sir, I regret becoming involved in this conversation.  I did not suggest you were lying, but what you are saying doesn't make sense to me and it would be helpful if you would enlighten us as you obviously know something about the operation of a paypal account that I don't.  If you read my posting you will note I did acknowledge that a paypal account may be funded "via the receipt of money from others" but that still leaves the question, how do you withdraw that  money?  

I don't withdraw any money from my PayPal account, I leave it there for purchasing stuff online as I don't have any credit card, thanks for your help.

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

Anyway it's all irrelevant, I obviously need a bank account to preorder and I won't be getting one, frustrating but it could be worse, let's talk about something else

[murphaph]

You could also ask a friend or family member to reserve the items for you.

[Gabhal Luimnigh]

31 minutes ago, murphaph said:

You could also ask a friend or family member to reserve the items for you.

Ya that's a good idea

[Noel]

@Warbonnet Fran are they all suburban versions or are there any mainline (intercity) versions planned?

Edited May 2, 2023 by Noel

[Noel]

Order placed.

[BosKonay]

9 minutes ago, Noel said:

@Warbonnet Fran are they all suburban versions or are there any mainline (intercity) versions planned?

Yep, from the announcement, we will launch mainline and ambulance versions anon...

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

Order placed.

Thanks!

[Noel]

53 minutes ago, BosKonay said:

Yep, from the announcement, we will launch mainline and ambulance versions anon...

Thanks!

Cheers Stephen. Thank you.

[EDIT] PS will order more when the mainline versions are listed.

Edited May 2, 2023 by Noel

[murphaph]

Did they mix n match the suburban ones with mainline ones if they were stuck (in the late 80s, early 90s)?

[Niles]

27 minutes ago, murphaph said:

Did they mix n match the suburban ones with mainline ones if they were stuck (in the late 80s, early 90s)?

Based on photos I've seen, even early on they didn't seem to religiously keep the suburban ones off mainline duties and vice versa.

[murphaph]

35 minutes ago, Niles said:

Based on photos I've seen, even early on they didn't seem to religiously keep the suburban ones off mainline duties and vice versa.

Good stuff. I would have almost been surpised if this hadn't been the case given CIE's propensity to mix n match stock! Thanks for the confirmation

[murphaph]

Did the PR underframes end up under the Donelli gantry trains? An entry in the October 1993 Irish Railway News suggested they would do.

Edited May 2, 2023 by murphaph

[John-r]

Is it just the seating arrangements the difference between the suburban and mainline versions,  I have read the press release and this was all I could fathom, of course I did read it between pouring the wine so this would explain a lot. Fantastic looking coaches.

[DJ Dangerous]

4 hours ago, murphaph said:

You could also ask a friend or family member to reserve the items for you.

 

I'm sure that there's an amicable way to sort it, friend's card, virtual card etc.

[jhb171achill]

3 hours ago, murphaph said:

Did they mix n match the suburban ones with mainline ones if they were stuck (in the late 80s, early 90s)?

Absolutely.

From Day 1, ALL new CIE coaches just got mixed in with everything else. Today, many different types of trains have their own type of couplings or gangways - a massively retrograde step. It should be remembered that in the past, all couplings on everything, and almost all gangways, were compatible.

The arrival of fixed-rake Mk 2s on the Enterprise in 1970, and the "Supertrains" in 1972, changed all that, and since then we get uniform rakes of exactly the same type of vehicle. As an aside, this is what gets grumpy oul wans like me waxing lyrical about how dull the railway scene seems today compared with the past, but imagine if on a busy bank holiday, you turned up at Midleton to get a local into Caaark, boy; and the set consisted of an ICR driving car, a 2600 driving car, and a De Deitrich coach in the middle; and hauled behind it was an 1886-built six-wheeler and an ex-Belmond Mk 3, now fitted with bus seats. THAT is what it was like in the past.

Therefore, the Park Royal model has absolutely ENDLESS realistic permutations. In reality, every single solitary type of coaching vehicle, from Cravens to very early 1880s 6-wheelers, is theoretically compatible with one, and they're even suitable as AEC railcar intermediates. Indeed, a single one was converted tio an AEC driving trailer in the late 1950s for the Tramore line, and fitted with bus seats to increase seating capacity. They did this by converting one end vestible into a cab, and putting a window in the end.

In terms of haulage, anything at all from the oldest steam locos (late 1870s!) still at work in 1955, to 071s; and everything in between.

Rarely has anything come on the market with such a wide range of realistic and prototypical uses. I am sure this will sell like hot-cakes; it certainly ought to.

I've mentioned this before - I must try to fish out a photo I have somewhere, which shows a mid-day train passing Port Laoise some time about the mid 1970s. It's not a great photo, but you can make out that of some 11 coaches or so, there are scarcely two exactly the same - and yes, Park Royals are represented in among several types of laminate, Cravens, you name it.

Edited May 2, 2023 by jhb171achill

[Warbonnet]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for everyone who has placed a pre-order so far, these have been unbelievably popular! We’ve had these under way in one form or another for a long time, but of course circumstances and covid put pay to best plans and that. 
 

Thank you to everyone who came by our stand at the excellent Wexford Model Railway show over the weekend to check out the first 3D print of the CAD. Eamonn very kindly let me pose it on the wonderful “Bog Road” too, check it out!
 

Roll on the tooling sample! 

Cheers!

Fran 

[Patrick Davey]

Another superb addition to the range - full marks IRM!!  Two ordered.

[Wexford70]

Lovely photo of a Dublin Suburban set pre DART. Park Royal with Laminates. Anyone identify the two, correction three non PR coaches?

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by Wexford70

[Westcorkrailway]

3 minutes ago, Wexford70 said:

Lovely photo of a Dublin Suburban set pre DART. Park Royal with Laminates. Anyone identify the two no PR coaches?

 

My eyesite may be wrong but I’d swear there is 3 laminates and only 1 Park Royal’s in that train