Popular Post Warbonnet Posted April 30, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2023 Commodious. Comfortable. Quirky and quintessentially Irish, the Park Royal coaches represent the maximum use of our generous loading gauge and an iconic piece of Irish coaching stock. It was about time it was represented faithfully in OO/4mm. A project that has been in-hand for a while now, we're delighted to bring you the news of the IRM CIE Park Royal coaches, representing these icons from the 1950s which served CIE and later Irish Rail well into the 1990s. Check out our extensive history of these unique coaches over a tipple below... HISTORY On July 1, 1948 the Irish Government asked Sir James Milne, last General Manager of the United Kingdom’s Great Western Railway, to investigate the state of internal transport in Ireland and his report, published later that year, suggested that diesel traction alone would not be the answer to Córas Iompair Éireann’s problems. Deemed inadequate to meet the needs of the population, Milne’s report highlighted that the average age of CIÉ’s coaching stock was 47 years old, with 155 vehicles being over 60 years old and that a large proportion of the vehicles had not had a general repair for over 10 years, with some not being overhauled since 1929. Milne noted that, as at January 1, 1948, coaching stock (exclusive of the Drumm Battery trains), amounted to 1325 vehicles and of these, 1251 were broad gauge, with 369 bogie passenger carriages and 394 non-bogie passenger carriages, while other coaching vehicles amounted to 29 bogie vehicles and 459 non-bogie vehicles. Six-wheel stock was prevalent and of the 763 passenger vehicles, 155 still had no heating, and two even had no form of artificial lighting. There were only 34 coaches of what could be considered as modern design and all these vehicles were at least 11 years old. Something needed to change. On January 1, 1950, Córas Iompair Éireann was nationalised and within a couple of years the board of CIÉ had approved a capital expenditure programme of almost £1 million on new coaching stock under the direction of Oliver Bulleid. In September 1949 Bulleid had retired from his role as Chief Mechanical Engineer of British Railways Southern Region and was well placed to assist with the CIÉ’s move towards modernisation, having been one of three further technical assessors to Sir James Milne during his reporting phase. Bullied became a consulting mechanical engineer to CIÉ at the invitation of T. C. Courtney, the new chairman of CIE, and succeeded to the post of Chief Mechanical Engineer in February 1950, becoming the architect of the major construction programme that saw almost 500 new coaching stock vehicles entering service over the following 14 year period. The bulk of these new vehicles were constructed of a steel-clad, wooden framed body, mounted on a steel underframe, but there were notable exceptions to this method of construction; the first of these being two sets of coaches that were supplied by Park Royal during 1955 and 1956, in which the timber framing of the body was replaced by a metal frame, and was mounted on an all-welded triangulated 61’ 6” underframe, running on Commonwealth bogies. These underframes were made in the United Kingdom, by the Wolverhampton firm of John Thompson Pressings Ltd. Supplied in component form, the use of prefabricated components supplied by Park Royal allowed for volume construction using a semi-skilled workforce and a single bodyshell type was used for both suburban and main line use, to diagrams 176 and 177 respectively, but with different interior layouts. The body was built integral with the frame and bus pillars (unsurprisingly, given Park Royals coach building credentials) gave support, with the roof being carried on closely spaced hoopsticks, three to a bay. The bodyside was only as thick as it needed to be to carry the window frames and was sealed inside, before plywood lining panels were fitted direct to the frames. Lateral support came from two channel sectioned, externally fitted waist rails on each side, giving the Park Royals their distinctive external appearance. The coaches made full use of the Irish loading gauge, being 61’ 6” inches long and 10’ 2” wide, this width reducing by 8” at each end, necessary to maintain gauging on curves. Due to their aluminium and steel construction, they only weighed 26 tons tare for the D176 suburban and 27¼ tons tare for the D177 main line type. Initially, two seating layouts were offered; the D176 suburban seating 82 passengers in a 2+3 arrangement, with 6 seats in each vestibule area, and the D177 main line seating 70 passengers in a similar 2+3 arrangement, but with toilet facilities at each vestibule end. Initially both diagrams were supplied with inward opening ‘bus’ type doors, however these proved unpopular and confusing to the passengers and so the coaches were fitted with conventional outside opening doors as they next passed through Inchicore, the door window position being lowered in the process. This work was carried out by 1958 and there were no more changes to the coaches until the Train Lighting conversions during 1972, the Park Royal’s lighting initially being generated on-board via dynamo and battery. There were, eventually, several variants in service, with two main conversions giving rise to ‘Snack Cars’, and then Brake Standards. Six main line vehicles were converted to ‘Snack Cars’ in 1968, with one vestibule end incorporating a small counter and serving area and the seating reduced to 56, before being either reconverted to main line standards or Brake Standards in 1984. In all, eight vehicles were converted to Brake Standards at this time, being drawn from Snack Car, suburban and Ambulance vehicles; the latter conversions being the creation of two Ambulance vehicles from existing suburban coaches, to convey invalided pilgrims to Knock Shrine in County Mayo. Two suburban vehicles also found use on the Waterford & Tramore Railway, one having bus seating installed to act as a 93 seat trailer, the other (No. 1408), being converted for use as a Driving Vehicle Trailer on the branch until 1960. During the 1980s, appearances began to change, and the distinction between suburban and main line versions became blurred in some instances. Many of the coaches lost the circular window at the vestibule ends, with the remaining windows sometimes being reduced in size. On other vehicles, the water pipes on toilet equipped coaches were sometimes arranged in different configurations as pipes were renewed, and passenger communication gear was adapted, or removed entirely from the vehicle ends. The Park Royal coaches continued in service until the early-1990s, before being barred from certain routes due to their construction, with the last few Park Royal carriages being withdrawn following the delivery of the first Japanese 2600 Class DMUs in 1994. During their period in traffic, Bulleid’s coaches carried a full gamut of liveries; the 40 D176 suburbans carrying the lighter standard overall mid-green livery, with the thinner eau-de-nil stripe carried below the windows, on the waist channelling. Vehicle ends were observed as being the same colour but were prone to extreme discolouration by weathering, and so it is difficult to ascertain whether, in the later years of mid-green application, the body ends were green, repainted black, or just merely filthy. The ten D177 mainline vehicles initially appeared in unpainted Aluminium, with red class designations and running numbers between 1955 and 1958, before this impractical arrangement was covered with the application of mid-green, with lined Eau-de-Nil class designations. In 1962 the mid-green scheme was replaced with black upper panels, roof and body ends, and deep orange (or golden brown/tan) lower panels with a 6” white band between the windows and the roof. In 1987, under Iarnród Éireann, the 6” band was dropped and replaced with two 3” white bands, either side of the black panel, although it was possible that some Park Royals carried a single white band, reduced to 3”. The Model This first run of Park Royal coaches concentrates on the D.176 suburban variants throughout their service life, but also includes a couple of ex-D.177 Snack Car vehicles. We will, in time, also add the D.177 mainline versions to the range, along with BSO conversions and the two Knock Ambulance cars; AM14 and AM15. With an unrivalled specification list such as a wealth of separately applied parts, both plastic and etched metal, with also fully detailed Irish commonwealth bogies for the first time in ready-to-run format, detail variations, wire handrails, bespoke detailed interiors depending on coach type, full interior lighting with stay alive powerpack for flicker free lighting and a die cast underframe to ensure smooth running, they offer unbeatable value at just €69.99 per coach, with our usual 10% off when you buy two coaches or more! We are delighted to time the announcement of these beautiful coaches with the Wexford Model Railway Show this weekend, where we will have a 3D print of the final CAD on view. In the meantime, you can place your pre-order with no money down now via our website for a delivery date of Q2 2024. Expect to see a fully finished sample over the summer too! Pre-order here below: PRE-ORDER YOUR PARK ROYAL COACHES HERE (Despite their widespread service, and longevity of service, good clear photographs of individual Park Royal coaches are rare, and so Irish Railway Models are grateful for the photographic contributions from the Irish Rail Record Society, Jonathan Allen, Colin ‘Ernie’ Brack, Neil Smith and Noel Dodd. Thanks must also go to John Beaumont for his valuable knowledge on livery issues, as well as Peter Rigney, but the final mention must go to Robert Gardiner and the volunteers at the Downpatrick and County Down Railway, who accommodated us on several survey visits.) Key Statistics Highly-detailed 00 gauge model, 1:76.2 scale on 16.5mm track Scale length of 246mm over body, width of 40.67mm across body Operation over a minimum radius of 438mm (2nd radius set-track) Die-cast metal chassis with plastic body. Accurate CIÉ Commonwealth bogies, with separate detailing where appropriate, that allows for the option of re-gauging to Irish Broad Gauge (21mm). Brake blocks aligned with wheels, allowing for the option of moving outwards for Irish Broad Gauge. 12mm wheels are blackened RP25-110 profile for 00 gauge, set on 2mm axles, 28mm over pin-points and with 14.4mm back-to-back measurement. NEM standard coupling sockets, with mini-tension lock couplers with a kinematic close-coupling system. Scale width wire handrails, water pipes, passenger communication gear. Headstock pipes and cabling included in accessory polybag for customer fitting, along with Kosan Gas Tank for the Snack Car. Fully detailed die-cast underframe with vacuum cylinders, battery boxes, dynamo and piping applied separately. Accurate interior layouts, with detailed seating and decorated where appropriate. Full guard’s compartment and kitchen/snack bar area detailing where appropriate, including use of etched metal detailing. Prism free flush glazing. Interior coach lighting with stay-alive capacitor, pick up from both bogies and a reed switch to control on/off via magnetic wand. Separate roof vent types, set in correct locations. View the full article 14 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) Very froth-worthy! 16 variants available to pre-order so far. Mind blown. Edited April 30, 2023 by DJ Dangerous 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Really nice choice. Quintessentially Irish. I expect these to sell rather well. 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, murphaph said: Really nice choice. Quintessentially Irish. I expect these to sell rather well. I believe you were looking for a bigger challenge than just building a loco out of a box of dust, so... How dirty did these get in real life, if "somebody" were to get roped into weathering a few rakes? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob229 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 A fine addition to the IRM coach collection and no doubt will be very popular 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabhal Luimnigh Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Pre-ordered 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Snail Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 A great choice of coach - compliments the A class perfectly! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnfromoz Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Brilliant! All my childhood memories brought to 4mm. Thank you so much guys. Will be ordering big time......John in Tas. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 About to place a few pre-orders, but have a question for the lads, first. Is it likely that all sixteen (or more!) will arrive in stock at the same time, or are they more likely to arrive in batches, like greens together, IRs together, snack cars together etc? I don't want to cause problems for you if my pre-orders end up being a mix of in-stock and pre-order items together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Plan is to land all 16 together, and then announce the mainline, ambulances, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Just now, BosKonay said: Plan is to land all 16 together, and then announce the mainline, ambulances, etc. Awesome! Get your weathering stick ready, @murphaph! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 this is going to hurt my railcar fund.... 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttc0169 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Delighted with this announcement….well done lads and thank you 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 In truth, I have known about these for well over 6 months at this stage. And for every single announcement I have been guessing it would be these to come out shamelessly!!! glad that my torture of waiting for the official announcement is finnally here! The green in the previews looks pretty spot on to. You can release the lines green A class you have been holding on to in the warehouse now 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler4f Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Will these be available through the Accurascale website for UK based customers ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Sean said: this is going to hurt my railcar fund.... The Park Royals are due next January, and the ICRs in July if that helps 1 minute ago, Fowler4f said: Will these be available through the Accurascale website for UK based customers ? UK customers can now buy in GBP from irishrailwaymodels.com with free shipping over £100 (Customers in NI can choose either EUR or GBP and get free postage on all purchases) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler4f Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Thanks, time to raid the piggy bank again. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Great choice plenty of variants and liveries and a huge gap in the rolling stock range for anyone covering the Irish scene from 1950’s to 1990’s. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnfromoz Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Am I correct in assuming there are no brake coaches in this initial batch? J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Quick comment/question. First of all, the new shop tabbed interface (maybe it's not that new but new to me) looks great and the exact years of service information is great too....which leads me to a question: Did the Park Royals have a twin IR style stripe in 1984 already or is that perhaps an error in the text on the pages of the ones with the twin "tippex" stripes? eg: https://irishrailwaymodels.com/collections/park-royal-coaches/products/park-royal-d-176-suburban-no-1389tl I always thought the twin 3" stripes only came in 1987 but my knowledge of these particular coaches is about zero. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Oh yes I think the budget will stretch to a couple of these beauties! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 25 minutes ago, murphaph said: Quick comment/question. First of all, the new shop tabbed interface (maybe it's not that new but new to me) looks great and the exact years of service information is great too....which leads me to a question: Did the Park Royals have a twin IR style stripe in 1984 already or is that perhaps an error in the text on the pages of the ones with the twin "tippex" stripes? eg: https://irishrailwaymodels.com/collections/park-royal-coaches/products/park-royal-d-176-suburban-no-1389tl I always thought the twin 3" stripes only came in 1987 but my knowledge of these particular coaches is about zero. The two era descriptions should probably be 1980 to 1987 and 1987 to 1994, instead of 1980 to 1984 and 1984 to 1994? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Great announcement. I’m sure a few purchases will be made! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRich Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 A great choice for IRM and modellers of the era they were introduced. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DJ Dangerous Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 On what duties could Park Royals be found running in revenue service at withdrawal in 1994? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, murphaph said: On what duties could Park Royals be found running in revenue service at withdrawal in 1994? Secondary services Outer Dublin suburban, Cork-Cobh , Limerick-Rosslare, Limerick-Ballybrophy and Ballina Branch . 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 minute ago, flange lubricator said: Secondary services Outer Dublin suburban, Cork-Cobh , Limerick-Rosslare, Limerick-Ballybrophy and Ballina Branch . Plenty around Limerick, so, in case anybody ever plans a Limerick Junction layout! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, flange lubricator said: Secondary services Outer Dublin suburban, Cork-Cobh , Limerick-Rosslare, Limerick-Ballybrophy and Ballina Branch . Cheers Mark. Did they ever run in revenue service through Kildare as late as '94? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 minute ago, murphaph said: Cheers Mark. Did they ever run in revenue service through Kildare as late as '94? No they were banned from the lines with 90mph running due to their construction from the mid eighties so they would not have been in Kildare on revenue earning services. 5 hours ago, Warbonnet said: mounted on an all-welded triangulated 61’ 6” underframe, running on Commonwealth bogies. These underframes were made in the United Kingdom, by the Wolverhampton firm of John Thompson Pressings Ltd. Not to jump to conclusions but this underframe and bogies were also shared on the laminates and other coaches like parcel vans and buffet cars so the future is very bright indeed ………….. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Cool. Still I am guessing the odd one would have been coupled up (locked out) to a rake of Cravens to be sent to Inchicore or wherever? If anyone has a pic of one in such a formation I would be much obliged! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowler4f Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 The Hattons 6 wheeler vans will complement the Park Royals very nicely. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 what kinda EGV ran with these or was there none since they are numbered TL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 1 hour ago, murphaph said: On what duties could Park Royals be found running in revenue service at withdrawal in 1994? That late - a set of two on Waterford - Limerick. One of them - I think - was Downpatrick’s No. 1944. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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