leslie10646 Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Folks While chatting to Paddy Murphy, he asked me to produce wagons for his immaculate diesels (to encourage sales, of course) - but what? I plan a skeleton container flat to take a 20ft container, like the lovely Bell one which is available, the Bulleid corrugated wagon (single and double height, both of which were used for the beet traffic) and possibly a cement bubble. Votes for these and further ideas appreciated by PM, e-mail or reply to string. Prices? Flat around £20 sterling, Bubble might get within £30 sterling, corrugated wagon in the £20 league. All in resin, as my handmade wagons are, painted and lettered. No comments, no wagons - it's very simple, but I have tried my best for Paddy! Thanks again for great Bangor support. Leslie Quote
Broithe Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Those three will go down well - and keep us going for a while... ..are they here yet..? Quote
scahalane Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Agreed. Those would be my top three choice's. Perhaps 40' flats as well. But wasn't somebody else looking at doing these also? Quote
scahalane Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 What would be the possibility of doing packs of three or so at a slightly reduced rate? Quote
StevieB Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Bearing in mind that the current MM models cover the period post mid 70s, ie modern image, you could suggest most of the models already produced by Irish Freight Models. For what is a very limited market compared to the UK, price will be the governing factor. Stephen Quote
WRENNEIRE Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Leslie, great idea! Having been on the selling side of the counter since the launch of the Murphy Models the one question that continually pops up is "Can you get me some freight wagons to run with these locos?" The fact that you are even thinking about producing some gives me great hope, as you say some of the 3D ones just aren't up to scratch. Small rakes of 3 as an option is another great idea, might cut down somewhat on packing cost etc Looking forward to some pre production pics !!! Quote
iarnrod Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Would certainly be interested in a detailed version of the cement bubbles and possibly the beet wagons. Also, 47' container flats, 2 variants of bagged cement wagons and the bogie bulk cement wagons. Quote
iarnrod Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Would just like to add that any of the modern type model freight wagons previously produced by MIR would be of interest. Majority of the Murphy Models loco's and coaches are from the IR or IE period (i.e. 1987-date), so I would imagine that any freight that ran over that period would sell and would be the most popular, but obviously some wagons would be more poular than others. I base this on the fact that you can still but MM CIE liveried locos and coaches in some dealers, but other more modern liveries sold out within months of being released by MM. Just my ten cents. Quote
heirflick Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 leslie, first choice has to be the flats, followed by cement in both liveries (love the orange!), then the bulleids. bogied flats would be a good runner for the future. Quote
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Great idea of a pack of 3 wagons. But will these Irish wagons be running on the proper Irish chassis or will they be look a likes on English Chassis. Quote
Glover Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) As an early 60's modeller, the corrugated opens would certainly appeal to me. I would also add the standard CIE covered goods van; known I think to railway men as H's. these were the most numerous wagons ever to run in Ireland and lasted until the early 70's. It would also be great to see the CIE cattle wagons (KN) in RTR. The good thing about modelling early 60's goods trains is that you basically only need four wagons types: covered vans, corrugated opens, cattle wagons and brake vans. The latter are available, in 30T format from Studio Scale Models and the GNR version from yourself. Throw in a few ex-GNR covered vans, a few wooded opens and the job is done ( and I'm happy). Glover Edited April 25, 2013 by Glover Quote
ei6jf Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 I've been waiting for some time for somebody to produce the single-height Bulleid corrugated wagons so I'd definitely be interested in a multi-pack option on these. Big gap in the market at the moment for these given the ready availability of suitable brake vans now and the fact that these wagons were to be seen absolutely everywhere until the late 1980s. Quote
patrick Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 As an early 60's modeller, the corrugated opens would certainly appeal to me. I would also add the standard CIE covered goods van; known I think to railway men as H's. these were the most numerous wagons ever to run in Ireland and lasted until the early 70's.It would also be great to see the CIE cattle wagons (KN) in RTR. The good thing about modelling early 60's goods trains is that you basically only need four wagons types: covered vans, corrugated opens, cattle wagons and brake vans. The latter are available, in 30T format from Studio Scale Models and the GNR version from yourself. Throw in a few ex-GNR covered vans, a few wooded opens and the job is done ( and I'm happy). Glover Glover is right on the mark about the H vans. Any layout depecting the 1950's to the mid 1970's should have lots of them. I'm suprised that a kit has not been available. SSM provide 30 ton brake vans and wooden opens and ex GN 12 ton vans and sliding door vans can be adapted from Parkside Dundas kits, what we need are H vans, Bulleid opens and CIE cattle wagons to convincingly model the CIE loose coupled era from the 1960's to the mid 1970's. Add a 20 ton brake van and some older vans and you have the 1950's covered also. It would also be nice if any new wagons produced could be converted to 21mm guage without major surgery. Best of luck with the project Liesley. Quote
RedRich Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 It's a very welcome idea Leslie. I know that the chassis were a standard size and some were cosmetically different to others. This wouldn't be a deal breaker for me as it would be easy to correct. Would the chassis have the correct w irons, axle boxes, J hangers, brake gear, and would it be the correct width for 21mm conversion. If the answer is yes then Cement, Beet, Ballast hoppers, Ballast plough, and some bagged Cement wagons would be a nice choice. The only way we will see something like this coming to fruition is if someone actually does it. I wish you all the best with whatever happens in the future and if some of the questions I have asked have positive answers I will buy in fleet quantities. Rich, Quote
enniscorthyman Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Cement bubbles seem to be always popular and a 3 pack would ring my bell. Quote
gm171 kk Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 I would be very interested in bubbles and bogie cements and 20' and 45' flats. Quote
Riversuir226 Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Great news, i'd love to see the bubbles first, definetly interested in the beet wagons double height ones anyway. After that if you done the fertiliser bogies or any of the other cement wagons id definetly buy a good few off you. Quote
Weshty Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Agreed. Those would be my top three choice's. Perhaps 40' flats as well. But wasn't somebody else looking at doing these also? Yup, I'm organising them as part of the ammonia rake. Quote
Kirley Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Leslie, I would be interested in Bulleid corrugated wagons (single and double height), Bubbles and flats. The 3 pack is a good suggestion. Quote
Glenderg Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Fert bogies? Controversial in the face of the bubble tsunami. I like it Jhb! Quote
Blu Bianco Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Definitely the cement bubbles and the bulleid corrugated wagons for me! Again, three packs would be a brilliant idea. Quote
leslie10646 Posted April 25, 2013 Author Posted April 25, 2013 Leslie, I would be interested in Bulleid corrugated wagons (single and double height), Bubbles and flats. The 3 pack is a good suggestion. Folks The system has just rejected a long reply, which took me half an hour to write, so this will be short. The above trio suggested by Kirley and many others, are probably high on my list. However, top marks to the guys who suggested the ubiquitous "H" Vans - now why hadn't I thought of those? So keep the ideas rolling in, please. There'll be something else I would never have thought of! I'll see what I can do about the three pack idea, which I used with my cattle wagons until the price of the larger boxes rocketed - I do save postage and I DO pass it on! Very many thanks for the simply terrific response. Leslie Quote
Glenderg Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Leslie, Aside from all the sound suggestions above, would you consider 4-plank wagons, here, possibly with the BD Containers also (?) since you already have a perfect chassis in the GNR(I) wagon? Combined with the H-vans and the bullied opens, this could be recreated ? Richie. Quote
BabyGM Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 A 3 pack at a reduced rate would be great , my top choices would be beet, ballast and bagged cement Quote
201bhoy Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Cement bubbles now that the model shop have stopped doing them! Quote
dave182 Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) Again, another vote for a detailed RTR cement bubble, and flats. Pricing is critical, and I think a 3 pack is a great idea. Edit: another obvious one that I'm always surprised no one has looked at is the 20' brown ISO container with the side opening doors, that CIE introduced in the 60's. (maybe overlooked because people remember the distinctive 10' uniload ones) Marry that to a 20' flat and I think there would be good demand. These originally had the CIE roundal on them, but many had the IR logo applied too. Still many dotted around the network. Edited April 25, 2013 by dave182 Quote
Hunslet 102 Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 H vans,cement bubbles and original corrugated open wagons.Also,any further progress on the spoil wagons? Quote
leslie10646 Posted April 25, 2013 Author Posted April 25, 2013 Again, another vote for a detailed RTR cement bubble, and flats. Pricing is critical, and I think a 3 pack is a great idea. Edit: another obvious one that I'm always surprised no one has looked at is the 20' brown ISO container with the side opening doors, that CIE introduced in the 60's. (maybe overlooked because people remember the distinctive 10' uniload ones) Marry that to a 20' flat and I think there would be good demand. These originally had the CIE roundal on them, but many had the IR logo applied too. Still many dotted around the network. Yes, that one appeared on my radar when I found myself looking at a "preserved" one dumped behind the loco shed at Whitehead. So, at least there is a proto Leslie Quote
leslie10646 Posted April 25, 2013 Author Posted April 25, 2013 H vans,cement bubbles and original corrugated open wagons.Also,any further progress on the spoil wagons? Hi Hunslet Fear not, the spoil wagon KIT is due to be next up! Leslie Quote
leslie10646 Posted April 25, 2013 Author Posted April 25, 2013 Leslie, Aside from all the sound suggestions above, would you consider 4-plank wagons, here, possibly with the BD Containers also (?) since you already have a perfect chassis in the GNR(I) wagon? [ATTACH=CONFIG]6886[/ATTACH] Combined with the H-vans and the bullied opens, this could be recreated ? Richie. Richie I considered this ages ago, when I first rebadged Dapol wagons - especially as I have loads of BR containers about the place. The problem is, none of them will go INSIDE the Dapol (or indeed Bachmann, if memory serves) opens - the sides of the opens are not to scale and so are too thick! It would need a handmade open with thin sides - maybe one day. Leslie Quote
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