Riversuir226 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/1060-Off-The-Beaten-Track Enniscorthyman covered the incident about half way down this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josefstadt Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 PS: Did any of the baby GMs ever get used for push/pull with converted AEC sets, or was that just C class? 121 Class locos were used on the ex-AEC push-pulls operating the Bray-Greystones shuttle for the period between the withdrawal of the last of the B201 Class in November 1986 and the withdrawal of the final push-pull in September 1987. As far as I know, members of the 141 and 181 classes were never used on push-pulls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Thanks Josef. I feel a 121 and an SF AEC conversion being pair up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSR 800 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 3 for me..2 grey ones and a blackntan one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieB Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 It seems to me that an awful lot of people would be more than interested in having 121's. As long as the price stays within the bounds of reasonableness (?), they'l disappear off the shelves in record time. I believe this is online marketing, the right product at the right time at the right price in the right quantity. Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josefstadt Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Thanks Josef. I feel a 121 and an SF AEC conversion being pair up. The final set was Control Car 6107. Intermediate 6311 and Connector Car 6206. Locomotive 130 was noted on the service on 26 March 1987. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 It seems to me that an awful lot of people would be more than interested in having 121's. As long as the price stays within the bounds of reasonableness (?), they'l disappear off the shelves in record time. I believe this is online marketing, the right product at the right time at the right price in the right quantity. Stephen My worry here Stephen is the direction that the big manufacturers prices have gone in the last 12 months Bachmann & Hornby locos are now almost 15 - 20% dearer Heljan a couple of points more If we can escape with the 121 costing about the same as the 071's I reckon we will be doing well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclass007 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 My worry here Stephen is the direction that the big manufacturers prices have gone in the last 12 monthsBachmann & Hornby locos are now almost 15 - 20% dearer Heljan a couple of points more If we can escape with the 121 costing about the same as the 071's I reckon we will be doing well If the Euro hasn't recovered by the time they're released they'll be costly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I heard yesterday that the 121's have gone to production and should be available hopefully for the Christmas market in 2015. Nope and the Euro rate stills sucks, so maybe as well for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Word is that a provisional date of Christmas 2016 has been given to the release of the first 121s which will be the first grey and yellow livery and the final IE livery with more to follow in 2017. Corrected Supertrain Mark IIS and 201s in latest livery are also on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Great news!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 There is an extra day this year, if it's needed.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Yes good news. It would be great if they do make it into the retail trade in time for Christmas 2016, but not the end of the world if they are a bit late like the ST coaches. Will be worth the wait. Wonder if they will be DCC Sound friendly (i.e. space for a speaker, or speaker fitted). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
201bhoy Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Word is that a provisional date of Christmas 2016 has been given to the release of the first 121s which will be the first grey and yellow livery and the final IE livery with more to follow in 2017. Corrected Supertrain Mark IIS and 201s in latest livery are also on the way. Excellent! Something to look forward to What is the latest 201 livery? D'you mean the silver and green with the updated Iarnrod Eireann logo? Or the new Enterprise livery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Excellent! Something to look forward to What is the latest 201 livery? D'you mean the silver and green with the updated Iarnrod Eireann logo? Or the new Enterprise livery? New Enterprise I believe Tom. Source is editor of Rail Express Modeller btw. Not pulling it out of my behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 "On the way", Does that mean now or planned after the 121's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
201bhoy Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 New Enterprise I believe Tom. Source is editor of Rail Express Modeller btw. Not pulling it out of my behind Oh no I knew you weren't! That's great news then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 "On the way"' date=' Does that mean now or planned after the 121's?[/quote'] Not sure to be honest Gareth, it's the only info I got. Imagine it's beforehand? I know you knew Tom, just thought I better clarify for everyone in case anyone was sceptical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclass007 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Word is that a provisional date of Christmas 2016 has been given to the release of the first 121s which will be the first grey and yellow livery and the final IE livery with more to follow in 2017. Corrected Supertrain Mark IIS and 201s in latest livery are also on the way. Excellent news, but when you add to that the new ballast hoppers, it's going to be an expensive new year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbonnet Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Excellent news' date=' but when you add to that the new ballast hoppers, it's going to be an expensive new year! [/quote'] We're hoping to have more than the ballasts out by then too! Start saving folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclass007 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Just wondering here.... are the corrected Supertrain Mk 2's unsold stock that was returned and repainted, or a brand new batch Either way, it's good to see that Paddy has taken action, and rectified the situation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 The Mk 2's are revamped and will arrive mid year They will have new fleet/catalogue numbers The 121's will hopefully be available in pre production livery for the Rahen show and then for sale in time for Christmas in IE & Grey livery with CIE Black, Supertrain & IR to follow within 9- 10 months Some short runs of the 201's in interim & latest Enterprise Livery, no delivery time yet And finally a surprise A 1916 commemorative item, ETA June, I couldn't get the grey badger to tell me what it is, had his best poker face on! Also due to €/$ volatility it is not possible to indicate prices at this time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonB Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Great news on the 121's.Better get saving:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) Wonder if they will be DCC Sound friendly (i.e. space for a speaker, or speaker fitted). I certainly hope so, even if it was a sugar cube or similar if space is tight. The 12 had the EMD 8-567CR as a prime mover which was the same as the 141 class, although I think the 181 class has the 645E. Is there already a sound chip out there for it? The Mk 2's are revamped and will arrive mid yearThey will have new fleet/catalogue numbers It would have been nice to have some feedback from MM from the consumers perspective at some point before I went and repsrayed a rake. But new fleet numbers is good…. hmmm The 121's will hopefully be available in time for Christmas in IE & Grey livery with CIE Black, Supertrain & IR to follow within 9- 10 months A 1916 commemorative item, ETA June Yippee! I'll be taking three of those and then more with the later liveries:-bd Edited January 1, 2016 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railer Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 As far as I know no 201 has the finished Enterprise livery yet. As in none of them have the new Enterprise logo applied to them yet. Interesting to see what they come out like compared to some of the excellent resprays posted up here. As much as I can't wait for a 121 they have a very high bar to try and match. I just hope PM found a good factory this time that can match what came before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riversuir226 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Thank feck i gave up the smokes, its going to be an expensive year with all the new goodies coming out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 Oooooooh. Dear Santa. 121 121 121 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craven1508 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 121 gonna be nice!! mark 2,s a revamped release to come!! exciting times ahead!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iarnrod Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) The Mk 2's are revamped and will arrive mid yearThey will have new fleet/catalogue numbers The 121's will hopefully be available in pre production livery for the Rahen show and then for sale in time for Christmas in IE & Grey livery with CIE Black, Supertrain & IR to follow within 9- 10 months Some short runs of the 201's in interim & latest Enterprise Livery, no delivery time yet And finally a surprise A 1916 commemorative item, ETA June, I couldn't get the grey badger to tell me what it is, had his best poker face on! Also due to €/$ volatility it is not possible to indicate prices at this time Excellent news. Definitely be getting some 121's. The fact that MM doing the grey and IE liveries would indicate different body variations for the 121. That just leaves the A Class to be done in RTR......who will take the bait......Murphy Models or Irish Railway Models? Edited January 2, 2016 by iarnrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riversuir226 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Excellent news. Definitely be getting some 121's. That just leaves the A Class to be done in RTR......who will take the bait......Murphy Models or Irish Railway Models? Its only a matter of time, c class would be nice too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scahalane Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Excellent news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railer Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Excellent news. Definitely be getting some 121's. The fact that MM doing the grey and IE liveries would indicate different body variations for the 121. Just a case of not fitting the handrails to each side? A question about the 121s, I have looked at a few pictures of them in the grey livery and they have no air brake lines fitted, when did they get them and were the 141s delivered with air brake hoses fitted. Seeing as the 121s got air brakes fitted later in life why not the case for the A class seeing as they were around till the mid 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishthump Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Fantastic news! Even if I do have to wait a bit longer for a pair of Supertrain 121's...... I certainly hope so, even if it was a sugar cube or similar if space is tight. The 12 had the EMD 8-567CR as a prime mover which was the same as the 141 class, although I think the 181 class has the 645E. Is there already a sound chip out there for it? I'm sure a speaker will be fitted. Since that has been the case with the 071 and 201 models. Even the 141 came with a factory fitted speaker cradle. Yes the 121 was originally fitted with the EMD 8-567CR, same as the 141 locos. The 181's came with the 645E but some 141's were later fitted with 645's taken from the C Class when it was withdrawn. The push-pull 121's were also fitted with 645E's. Loksound have accurate sounding files for both the 141 and the 181. IIRC, Mr Soundguy's ZIMO decoders use a recording from a 645E so they would be accurate for later 121's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iarnrod Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Just a case of not fitting the handrails to each side? The small cab windows were also blocked off on some or all loco's in their IE days. Possibly other body modifications aswell over the course of their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 With the black'n'tan option, removable handrails will cover the immediate post-grey-repaint (1965-maybe 1969; no handrails) and the post-handrail-addition period before the "supertrain" livery started appearing on them (1972 onwards). The handrails were added during the black'n'tan era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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