Murphy Models new 201 and Mk3 coaches

[minister_for_hardship]

On 28/1/2022 at 7:39 PM, GSR 800 said:

To each their own and all that like...

This x 1000.

There are models that do not interest me personally but I dont go out of my way to dump all over them. If someone is able to produce and sell them whether it's a 22k or a J15 fair play to them. If you dont like them dont buy them. Others will be glad to have them on their layouts.

Edited January 30, 2022 by minister_for_hardship

[DJ Dangerous]

8 hours ago, connollystn said:

@DJ Dangerous - Can't see a RTR model of the 22 000 being produced this side of my 70th birthday.

Not if your 70th is this year anyway! Boskonay said a year from samples to sales, so no samples means no sales.

Still, he also said that there may be a "powered" announcement this year. My money is on a 2600, which would be frikkin' awesome, and would leave me closer to being homeless, but we could be even luckier if it turns out to be a 22000.

1 hour ago, murphaph said:

I'm waiting for the punchline Connolly!

Ah Noel it's not fair to lay into stuff you personally don't find interesting, just because. Let's look at the 201 for a second. You said it is like a peat briquette because it's not an interesting shape like the other GMs but the Sulzers, A and C classes were also flat sided locos but I know you love the A's and would presumably buy a Sulzer in B&T if one was available. I think you just don't find these things aesthetically appealing but it seems it's mostly to do with age and your associated memories. But you need to appreciate that you are laying into the memories of the 15 year old modeller on here who doesn't remember a 121 or a Craven in service nevermind an A Class and I'm too young to remember anything much before IR and I'm "only" 43.

I think we should count our lucky stars we still have a railway. Freight might just make a comeback due to the green agenda coming to the fore and as freight virtually disappeared from most of the network in the mid 2000's it's the yo yo passenger yokes that have effectively kept the remaining network operational due to being reasonably cost effective to operate, so let's not be too hard on them eh?

 

Agreed, it IS bashing of everybody elses opinions, constantly at that, and it's inappropriate.

It also leads to conflict. When people are goaded enough with the constant knocking of their opinions, they'll eventually retalliate and lash out in return, possibly lambasting the old stuff from before their time, that they don't remember.

Then, one posts a survey to ask what people would buy, multiple choice options, and because of ones own negativity, those who may have bought stuff from previous eras now say no way, only my era.

 

[JasonB]

1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Agreed, it IS bashing of everybody elses opinions, constantly at that, and it's inappropriate.

It also leads to conflict. When people are goaded enough with the constant knocking of their opinions, they'll eventually retalliate and lash out in return, possibly lambasting the old stuff from before their time, that they don't remember.

Then, one posts a survey to ask what people would buy, multiple choice options, and because of ones own negativity, those who may have bought stuff from previous eras now say no way, only my era.

Spot on, Dave. 

[JasonB]

1 hour ago, DJ Dangerous said:

My money is on a 2600, which would be frikkin' awesome

That would be something special. 

[DJ Dangerous]

3 hours ago, JasonB said:

That would be something special. 

They're still running today, after what, 25 or 30 years? They've carried about three liveries. They've been everywhere on the network. So, they would appeal to (and sell to) a massive number of modellers.

On the downside, they're less than sixty years old, have flat sides and never ran in black and tan, so Noel will lose his shit if they're released before an AEC railcar, burning his IRM stock at the stake.

A low-detail 2600 at a glance seems like a great way to bring younger folk, and folk on a budget, into the hobby, but I have a hazy memory of Boskonay saying that there was no viable way of having a "Railroad" version of an IRM product on the shelves. Not fully sure on the exact quote, though.

[JasonB]

50 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

They're still running today, after what, 25 or 30 years? They've carried about three liveries. They've been everywhere on the network. So, they would appeal to (and sell to) a massive number of modellers.

Yep, still knocking about, close on 30 years now. I've never been a huge fan of DMU's, but have always had a soft spot for the 2600. When they were introduced into service around 94/95, they blended in quite well with everything that was still running at time. Still plenty of freight and loco hauled passenger services back then. 

[Bob229]

A 2600/2700 would be very welcome, Cork to Cobh service has these DMU since 1994, would make a popular starter set like the bachmann set from a few years ago

[Niles]

Thinking aloud, a 2600 and a 2800 have a bit in common, (one of the most noticeable differences being the roof). Purely a thought exercise but I imagine one tooling could be used as a basis, allowing for tweaks. 

That said, I don't think a high fidelty model to the standard we've become used to would work in the 'starter'/'train set' market; aside from price it's not something you'd really want kids handling. That's where stuff like the Bachmann Commuter set fits in nicely.

There's a mad amount of livery variants even within one basic colour scheme. From memory, the orange sets lost their 'Arrow' branding after a point, the 2800s carried 'NDP' logs, there was more than one variant of the 'Commuter' livery too.

As for a 22000/ICR, it's not something I'd be emptying my bank account for personally but I can appreciate the appeal for many. Then again I'm also a weirdo who likes 201s just as much as 071s... (neither are a patch on a Bo-Bo though ).

Edited January 30, 2022 by Niles

[connollystn]

I like the ICR 22000 sets. They're modern, comfortable and there's minimal noise intrusion into the cabin from the engines underneath. The biggest noise intrusion is from other rail users on their 'smart' devices doing whatever it takes to annoy others in the same carriage.

[Noel]

13 hours ago, murphaph said:

I'm waiting for the punchline Connolly!

Ah Noel it's not fair to lay into stuff you personally don't find interesting, just because. Let's look at the 201 for a second. You said it is like a peat briquette because it's not an interesting shape like the other GMs but the Sulzers, A and C classes were also flat sided locos but I know you love the A's and would presumably buy a Sulzer in B&T if one was available. I think you just don't find these things aesthetically appealing but it seems it's mostly to do with age and your associated memories. But you need to appreciate that you are laying into the memories of the 15 year old modeller on here who doesn't remember a 121 or a Craven in service nevermind an A Class and I'm too young to remember anything much before IR and I'm "only" 43.

I think we should count our lucky stars we still have a railway. Freight might just make a comeback due to the green agenda coming to the fore and as freight virtually disappeared from most of the network in the mid 2000's it's the yo yo passenger yokes that have effectively kept the remaining network operational due to being reasonably cost effective to operate, so let's not be too hard on them eh?

 

Fair comment. 

[mphoey]

On 28/1/2022 at 9:47 PM, warb said:

23/24 years ago Marks Models was producing resin kits to scale i.e. 141's/201's way above what was being produced at the time.

have one of those 141s and 201 kits from marks

On 30/1/2022 at 9:54 AM, DJ Dangerous said:

Not if your 70th is this year anyway! Boskonay said a year from samples to sales, so no samples means no sales.

Still, he also said that there may be a "powered" announcement this year. My money is on a 2600, which would be frikkin' awesome, and would leave me closer to being homeless, but we could be even luckier if it turns out to be a 22000.

Agreed, it IS bashing of everybody elses opinions, constantly at that, and it's inappropriate.

It also leads to conflict. When people are goaded enough with the constant knocking of their opinions, they'll eventually retalliate and lash out in return, possibly lambasting the old stuff from before their time, that they don't remember.

Then, one posts a survey to ask what people would buy, multiple choice options, and because of ones own negativity, those who may have bought stuff from previous eras now say no way, only my era.

 

i wonder will it be a steamer this year after all they have started doing steam in accruscale now 

 

[railfan222]

Hi all,

 

Got a few questions to ask as I am curious.

 

First Question: Were the Murphy Models Cravens, 201s, 071s and 121s produced by Bachmann? If so was it Kader Holdings who produced them? The packaging got with the Cravens and Mark 2s (produced from 2011) don't feature any Bachmann Branchline logos on them like the packaging for the 141s and 181s.

Second Question: Why is Paddy Murphy selling his products on Irish Railway Models?

Third Question: What factory is making IRM's locos, wagons and coaches? Is it the Accurscale Factory?

Fourth Question: Is IRM helping Murphy Models with the production run of the new 201s, Mark 2s and Mark 3s?

 

I would be grateful for anyone who could answer my questions.    

[iarnrod]

Bachmann only made the 141/181's for MM. Any MM product released after them were made by whatever factory or factories MM uses.

I think it was IRM decided to stock MM products on their website, and not the other way around. I'm sure one of the IRM lads might give a better explanation,  but in a small niche market like the model Irish railway scene, it makes perfect sense for the two main manufacturers to work together and help each other out.

IRM and Accurascale are one of the same, and I would presume use the same factory or factories to produce their products. Again,  one of the IRM lads might explain better, but I can't see them revealing what factory they use as I would presume that there are certain commercial sensitivities surrounding that information.

I don't think IRM are assisting MM with their planned releases as MM has always been independent in this regard.

[mmie353]

 - shortly before the 121 was released, IRM announced they would be stocking them. They also had some 201s for sale about the same time. If you check stockists for Murphy Models products, IRM are listed. 

[BosKonay]

16 minutes ago, mmie353 said:

 - shortly before the 121 was released, IRM announced they would be stocking them. They also had some 201s for sale about the same time. If you check stockists for Murphy Models products, IRM are listed. 

Exactly that, we listed the available 201s, Cravens, Mark 2's and then the 121's when they landed (selling a very large % of the run) on the Irish railway models website. It made a lot of sense with our simple logistics and website, to offer a 'one stop shop' for those looking for Irish models, which is why we also stock Oxford die cast models suitable for Irish layouts, and have commissioned a number of buses in bespoke liveries from Britbus. 

In this regard, Murphy Models were supplier, and IRM retailer.

IRM and Accurascale are essentially the same, with a shared pool of manpower, resources, and factories. 

[jhb171achill]

Same as Accurasixwheelers?

 

[gm171 kk]

Is there any update on the new releases? 

[Westcorkrailway]

13 minutes ago, gm171 kk said:

Is there any update on the new releases? 

I’ds say not, ids say Next time we will get word is when IRM have them in for pre-order 

[DJ Dangerous]

It's probably difficult to get slots in the factories at the moment. I'm sure we'll see tooled samples at one of the shows before anything from the announcement goes on sale.

[WaYSidE]

There's lots of web chat unverfied/unofficial talk of boycotting all countries that support Russian war .
including China and India. that will slow down production
boycott also suggested for Germany and France also if No Fly Zone is not enacted.

we may all have to buy kits from local makers.

[connollystn]

If the Murphy Models 201[new] was bombed it'd improve its appearance, probably.

[Ironroad]

5 hours ago, connollystn said:

If the Murphy Models 201[new] was bombed it'd improve its appearance, probably.

This is insulting rather than funny. You have been relentless in knocking this model and won't say what you see as wrong with it despite being asked many times to do so.  

[DJ Dangerous]

8 hours ago, connollystn said:

If the Murphy Models 201[new] was bombed it'd improve its appearance, probably.

What would you suggest, to improve the model's appearance?

[Westcorkrailway]

44 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

What would you suggest, to improve the model's appearance?

If the 201 was built in the 70s. I Guarantee it would be “beutiful”

[Blaine]

6 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

If the 201 was built in the 70s. I Guarantee it would be “beutiful”

It was, its called the 071.....

[Bob229]

9 hours ago, connollystn said:

If the Murphy Models 201[new] was bombed it'd improve its appearance, probably.

Nonsense comment, a fine Model like the actual locomotive looking forward to the next release from Murphy Models 

[Westcorkrailway]

31 minutes ago, Blaine said:

It was, its called the 071.....

I garuntee I will end up liking the 22k as much as I loath getting on them at the moment when a mk4 set is the alternative.

 

nostalgia sells! 

[irishthump]

8 hours ago, Blaine said:

It was, its called the 071.....

Don't know what you're getting at the there. The 201 is a very different beast from the 071.

[hexagon789]

38 minutes ago, irishthump said:

Don't know what you're getting at the there. The 201 is a very different beast from the 071.

I think Blaine is alluding to the belief that the 071 is the superior locomotive class. A tenet which I subscribe to I must admit, though I don't hate 201s.

 

8 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said:

nostalgia sells! 

If it didn't model railways wouldn't exist you could argue, or wouldn't be as financially viable at least.

[Noel]

While I was not a particular fan of the prototype, finding the 201 class a rather boring looking shape compared to the 071 & baby GMs, but it served as a workhorse once the teething problems were sorted out in the early years and now successful on the Cork Mk4 set routes, but I do find the Murphy Models version a rather excellent model of the 201 class, way batter than the Lima version. A good runner that looks the part. Perhaps the prototype is a little long for more compact layouts, but all in all personally I find it an excellent model. I now have 3 of them (2xIntercity grey'n'green 1xOrange yellow no 201) even though they are not my modelling era, but have travelled behind them extensively over the years.

Apologies but nothing seems seriously wrong with these models to my eye.

Looking forward to seeing the MM mk3 models later this year (ie

Ukraine permitting), although not my modelling era, I've travelled on them a lot.

[BosKonay]

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Looking forward to seeing the MM mk3 models later this year (ie

Ukraine permitting), although not my modelling era, I've travelled on them a lot.

Or later

[Noel]

29 minutes ago, BosKonay said:

Or later

Yes agree that's more likely based on 121

[DiveController]

On 7/3/2022 at 2:00 PM, connollystn said:

If the Murphy Models 201[new] was bombed it'd improve its appearance, probably.

Not a fan, I think we got that part. Entitled to your opinion of course, guess you’ll have more money left over for more IRM products or to donate to the Ukraine where that bomb would be more useful right now

[Robert Shrives]

Technical 201 question - what is the bogie wheelbase please?

thanks 

Robert

[JasonB]

On 9/3/2022 at 1:22 PM, Noel said:

Apologies but nothing seems seriously wrong with these models to my eye.

Well, other than you referring to them as peat briquettes numerous times. And the Lima version.. a door stop, if I'm not mistaken.