burnthebox Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 Kieran, pardon my ignorance in these matters, but why did you have to change the chassis, Fantastic piece of work btw. Quote
scahalane Posted January 11, 2015 Posted January 11, 2015 Nice detailing on the barrier's Kirley, love that a-class as well. Quote
Kirley Posted January 13, 2015 Author Posted January 13, 2015 UTA Brown Vans on their first test run on Kirley Junction. A short video of them in action. [video=youtube;kzj1DfF-3Ug] Quote
BosKonay Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Absolutely the biz Kieran!! They look fantastic behind the jeep! Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Wow! Excellent stuff! Better not let T C Courtney, the UTA general manager see, or somebody will be told off for leaving a van door open! Edited January 13, 2015 by jhb171achill Quote
Hunslet 102 Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Superb brown vans Kieran,you have captured the profile of the originals brilliantly.like the added extra of the open door and load. Quote
burnthebox Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Kieran, pardon my ignorance in these matters, but why did you have to change the chassis, Fantastic piece of work btw. Kieran, I've been looking at your this tread again, & I have another question for you if you don't mind, what size is your shed in ft & in please, as I'm now seriously, very seriously thinking of starting to get going on my layout, I know I have a while to go just yet, but your total inspiritational workmanship in building your mega layout has really got me to start doing something now, even if it's only putting something on paper ! Quote
heirflick Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 fabulous rake kirley - love the van with the open door - nice touch there! Quote
Kirley Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 Kieran, I've been looking at your this tread again, & I have another question for you if you don't mind, what size is your shed in ft & in please, ! Paul, your going way back to 2013, page 32. The Goods Shed is approx 12' 6" x 9' Quote
enniscorthyman Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Very nice, and your layout looking fab. Quote
Kirley Posted January 26, 2015 Author Posted January 26, 2015 A train of Flat Wagons by MIR, Hornby Conversions and five SSM's new 42' Flat Wagons getting a run round Kirley Junction. As you can see in the video I got some wheel slippage from 086, a first on my layout from an 071 Class. I have some testing inclines on my layout and I think the two barrier wagons at the end were the cause. Each Barrier Wagon (including Flat Wagon) weighs 184 grams against the 071 weighting in at 503 grams. I hope Weshty's Ammonium Tankers are light in weight otherwise I might have difficulties on some sections of my layout. Quote
Weshty Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Kirley, The Ammonias are indeed lighter, at c.150g. Quote
Kirley Posted January 26, 2015 Author Posted January 26, 2015 Kirley, The Ammonias are indeed lighter, at c.150g. Thanks Des. I wonder if anyone has done a weight test on a 071, i.e. what weight can it pull on the level, that would be interesting? An Ammonium Train, 6 tankers @ 900g + 2 Barrier Wagons @ 368g =1268g, I might have run mine downhill only. Quote
irishthump Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 As a matter of interest, how steep are your grades? Are they more than 3%? Quote
Kirley Posted January 26, 2015 Author Posted January 26, 2015 , how steep are your grades? Are they more than 3%? I don't know, my build was a generic one, I did not plan ahead which was not a good idea but I never had any problems with long rakes before. Quote
DiveController Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 I don't know, my build was a generic one, I did not plan ahead which was not a good idea but I never had any problems with long rakes before. Kieran, I hear a consist coming along Kirley Junction:) Quote
Noel Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 I don't know, my build was a generic one, I did not plan ahead which was not a good idea but I never had any problems with long rakes before. Enjoyable video. Your layout and scenery is excellent. We have a 3.3% gradient transitioning from the lower layout to the upper level which is rarely used. So far MM diesels have had no problem, but I blew a tcs decoder on an older Bachmann 0-6-0 steam loco hauling a goods train up the hill a few months ago, lots of smoke! I guess the current load exceeded the decoders capability despite being rated for 1.3amp. The motors and gearing in older models can draw a lot more current than modern kit like Bachmann and MM which have better gearing than the toys of yesteryear. Quote
Kirley Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) As a matter of interest, how steep are your grades? Are they more than 3%? Just measured the length of the track (3300mm) and it drops (30mm). Hope this makes sense. Edited January 27, 2015 by Kirley Quote
murrayec Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Hi Kirley Just looking at the video- great stuff, the layout is looking very good, I love the photo backdrops they add a realism in the video that makes one think I'm looking at the real thing. On the wheel slip- if those flats are the white metal ones, there's got to be some weight in their frames alone- my guess on the cause of slip? Eoin Quote
Kirley Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks for the suggestion, the Flats are MIR resin frames, Hornby Freightliners, cut down and 5 SMM brass kits. The Barrier Wagons have brass bodies and at 184g each add weight on the tail of the rake. Without them the 071 has no difficulties. Quote
Broithe Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Is each individual wagon free-running? Just a few tight axles can have quite a detrimental effect. Quote
irishthump Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Just measured the length of the track (3300mm) and it drops (30mm). Hope this makes sense. Well that's barely a 1% grade which should'nt cause too many problems. Like you said it's probably all the weight, also if the converted Hornby flats still have the plastic wheels they can cause an awful lot of drag, especially on a curve. Quote
Kirley Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks Irishthump, all the Hornby's have Bachmann bogies with metal wheels. Quote
irishthump Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks Irishthump, all the Hornby's have Bachmann bogies with metal wheels. Forget I spoke! Quote
Hunslet 102 Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Great video of Kirley Junction again Kieran.With regards the wheel slip,too much weight on the back end will cause extra drag.Have you tried the same rake with a barrier wagon front and back? Your quoted weight for your ammonia train with a barrier front and back should be fine,I would think you are close to that weight with the rake in the video?? Quote
Georgeconna Posted January 28, 2015 Posted January 28, 2015 Your farm Look Fabs Kirley. Did you make the buildings? Quote
Kirley Posted January 28, 2015 Author Posted January 28, 2015 .Have you tried the same rake with a barrier wagon front and back? Thanks Andy, that's worth a try, I'll report back with the result. Quote
Kirley Posted January 28, 2015 Author Posted January 28, 2015 Your farm Look Fabs Kirley. Did you make the buildings? No George they are all Skaledale buildings painted in Red Oxide roofs and White walls to represent typical Northern farm buildings. Quote
Kirley Posted January 30, 2015 Author Posted January 30, 2015 If you watched my previous video you would have seen my 071 Class had slippage when pulling a Liner Train up an incline when I added the new SSM Barrier Wagons at the end. Many thanks for all the suggestions but Hunslet came up with trying the Barrier Wagons at the beginning and at the end of the rake (as they would be in a rake of Ammonia Tankers). So here's the result. As Supertrains are the main topic on the Site at the moment I took a few shots of a rake of MK III's in this livery, (don't care what colour of orange they are) and the Taras also got a run behind an 001 Class (in Supertrain livery of course). Many thanks Andy, you are a true Locomotive Driver. Quote
BosKonay Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Stunning video Kirley, the junction is going from strength to strength - the tara rake and supertrain mkIII's look the danglies! Quote
scahalane Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Great video, love those Mk3's in super train livery. Quote
Noel Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Enjoyed that video. Your layout looks fabulous. Btw, they way you have scenically blended the back scenes to your layout is the best I have ever seen. It looks seamless which is exactly the desired effect. Top drawer. Quote
Hunslet 102 Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Great video Kieran,particularly liked the shot of the liner through the top of the trees,top drawer stuff.Glad the second test was more successful,don't think you will have any problems with your ammonia rake and barriers. Quote
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