What happened to 224

[Railer]

Anyone know what has happened to 224? No one is saying but if all the rumor and reading between the lines she now part of the orange 201 line up in Inchicore.

[Garfield]

With IE staff appealing to enthusiasts for photos of the loco taken in recent times, I'm guessing they'd like to know what happened to her, too! She does look quite bent.

[Railer]

Yeah, looks to be a hit and run. Maybe the loss of 224 will see it harvested enabling the return of 230 to the fleet.

[flange lubricator]

Did a similar fate not befall CIE (B201) 224 , following its transfer to NIR in 1985/86 was found to have a bent frame and was replaced by 218 , its was laying out of use for many years before being scrapped . 

Edited July 8, 2020 by flange lubricator

[Railer]

19 minutes ago, flange lubricator said:

Did a similar fate not befall CIE (B201) 224 , following its transfer to NIR in 1985/86 was found to have a bent frame and was replaced by 218 , its was laying out of use for many years before being scrapped . 

It happened 143 too. It ended up being confined to 40mph max and only shunted in Northwall Yard or Inchicore. It was painted on the cab sides similar to the air brake note painted on the 121s.

[Warbonnet]

Never knew Url Geller was a driver for IE. Be interesting to see the if the rest of the 201s are displaying similar symptoms! 

[Garfield]

3 hours ago, Railer said:

Yeah, looks to be a hit and run. Maybe the loss of 224 will see it harvested enabling the return of 230 to the fleet.

Wouldn't say it's a hit and run - both ends look undamaged. You'd expect buffers to fail and some crumpling there before the main frame would give way.

[Noel]

Any photos of the damaged loco?

[Railer]

There is one up on social media dated the 2nd of July of it parked up in Inchicore. No clear signs of damage, only thing to me is that the body panel behind the No1 end cab is a bit warped. 

[Gortalainn]

A friend of mine (irishtrains on instagram, for photo credit) sent me this shot last night, taken the day of the incident. Could be just me but it seems it's got a decent bend in the middle?

[Tarabuses]

What was the incident?

[Warbonnet]

It’ll buff out (on Facebook) 

[Railer]

Looks very similar to how 124 and 134 looked before they were withdrawn. I always thought they had bent frames but clearly not as they were used on everything right up to the end.

[Noel]

2 hours ago, Warbonnet said:

It’ll buff out (on Facebook) 

Bloody potholes!   
 

either that or somebody made a sows ear of putting the decoder in.

Edited July 8, 2020 by Noel

[DiveController]

So there was an accident or someone noticed it just had a wrap frame one day? 

And 224 did have a bent frame presumably due to fatigue but iirc wasn't 143 the result of an accident and thereafter it was speed restricted. Shows that there was a need for 141s at that time but not much traffic for so many 201s now  

[Barl]

Some info on 224 in this article.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/iarnród-éireann-and-raiu-investigating-fault-found-in-passenger-train-1.4306073

 

 

[DiveController]

Lots of word salad to say that a fault was found ..... hopefully some updates after the investigations has concluded

[Noel]

On 7/16/2020 at 9:18 PM, Barl said:

Some info on 224 in this article.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/iarnród-éireann-and-raiu-investigating-fault-found-in-passenger-train-1.4306073

 

 

Did somebody apply too much pressure plugging in a DCC sound decoder into the decode roof slot? 

 

Edited July 19, 2020 by Warbonnet
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[Colin R]

the Isle of Man used to have a load of carrigaes which had that fault and they keep on using them. That said it is a concern that a relative new loco has deveolped such a problem bring back the Heitage collection of ex CIE diesle locos.

Could be that Inchicore are in for a lot of rebuilding with new chassis's or a building a new jig to put each one right as they go through a full service, out of interest how many do they need to run the current service and just how many do they have in total?

Colin R

[Ironroad]

But is it an inherent problem, or is it due to impact that wasn't reported? Seems very strange. 

[K801]

The chassis appears to have cracked under the #2(?) end of the engine above the battery box?

 

[Railer]

On 7/22/2020 at 12:36 AM, Ironroad said:

But is it an inherent problem, or is it due to impact that wasn't reported? Seems very strange. 

Apparently it was a metal fatigue defect that was known about from previous exams but the problem accelerated far quicker than expected to the point of failure. I don't know how true that is but it's one of the stories going around. 

[DJ Dangerous]

So, is this the end of 224?

If so, will 224 be used for parts to revive one of the hulks sitting outside Inchicore?

Will we then see an "071 grey" liveried 201 in service?

 

[Garfield]

10 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

So, is this the end of 224?

If so, will 224 be used for parts to revive one of the hulks sitting outside Inchicore?

Will we then see an "071 grey" liveried 201 in service?

 

Most definitely the end for 224. No doubt useable components will be salvaged and could possibly be used in other locos - either replacing parts on locos still in service where required, or possibly to aid in the rebuilding of 230.

I wouldn't expect to see grey 201s.  

[NIR]

Main spares aren't going to fix something like that!

[DJ Dangerous]

1 hour ago, Garfield said:

Most definitely the end for 224. No doubt useable components will be salvaged and could possibly be used in other locos - either replacing parts on locos still in service where required, or possibly to aid in the rebuilding of 230.

I wouldn't expect to see grey 201s.  

Hey, I thought that you were a ghost?

How about an orange and black 230 with CIE roundels?

[mphoey]

1 hour ago, Garfield said:

Most definitely the end for 224. No doubt useable components will be salvaged and could possibly be used in other locos - either replacing parts on locos still in service where required, or possibly to aid in the rebuilding of 230.

I wouldn't expect to see grey 201s.  

Be nice to see the parts put into 201 and get her reinstated as a heritage livery

Edited July 23, 2020 by mphoey
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[Garfield]

2 minutes ago, mphoey said:

Be nice to see the parts put into 201 and get her reinstated as a heritage livery

It would, but as 230 would require less work it's the only one I can see benefiting from such a transplant of parts.

[Broithe]

Any chance of a special edition 224 model at some point?

Would there be space to fit an additional servo-controlled catch inside, that could be operated via DCC, and induce the 'drop' at the whim of the controller?

[Ironroad]

6 hours ago, Railer said:

Apparently it was a metal fatigue defect that was known about from previous exams but the problem accelerated far quicker than expected to the point of failure. I don't know how true that is but it's one of the stories going around. 

If that is true is seems to me the whole class is doomed. Not a great recommendation of a GM product and certainly not to be expected in a locomotive that is a mere 25 years old.

[mphoey]

32 minutes ago, Ironroad said:

If that is true is seems to me the whole class is doomed. Not a great recommendation of a GM product and certainly not to be expected in a locomotive that is a mere 25 years old.

hopefully just her affected as none of the rest seem to be showing signs

[DiveController]

Plenty of spare chassis hanging about to rebuild to be sure

[DJ Dangerous]

Has anything more been announced or discovered regarding 224?

[skinner75]

From the latest edition of The Irish Mail (ITG), it looks like the engine from 224 may be used in 223, and various other bits used in 230 to get both back in service. 

Please correct me if I have the two mixed up!

[Bob229]

According to the railway safety inspectors report the crack was caused by poor weld repairs during maintenance in either 2010 or 2019, IE has now introduced weld repair books to record the location and detail of every new weld as well as adopting the international recognised standard for weld repairs