Would you prepay for a model?

[Noel]

Info on the Kernow DJ models Class 71.

 

 

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/page/74/DJ_Models_Class_71_Project

 

The economies of scale in the larger UK market seem to make such schemes feasible. Their overall market is roughly 15-20 times the size of ours, and their market for model trains disproportionately higher again due to UK consumers long standing and more established interest in the hobby.

 

I like the idea but doubt the numbers will stack up here for a loco (001 or 121). Less so perhaps for rolling stock because a minority of the market here are discerning specialist modellers with specific freight interests (forumites excluded of course), unlike the general public modeller, or toy train collector who want to own and run what they and their children see which is and was predominantly passenger trains. In the future that memory may be Luas, Dart and 22k bus fleets. . With some possibly interested in Cork CAFs and Belfast Enterprise train sets, Ireland's last loco hauled real passenger trains.

 

The more I read this interesting thread I think I would change my vote to "I'd prepay MM for 001 or 121 locos in advance", but not a crowd scheme. It would be more likely to happen and MM have the track record.

[BosKonay]

I think a 22k would be pretty awesome Done to the Rapido standard

[Warbonnet]

Dj models kickstarter for the class 71

£150,000 = 1200 models @ £125 each

Converting it to euro

€187,000 = 1200 models @€156 each.

The max order i can see for any loco is approx the 500 mark which is €374 per model

Even at an order of 750 its still €249 per loco, 1000 @ €187.

The above example has both a retailer and a model company behind it.

 

1200 Models divided by 4 for four different liveries/running numbers. So 300 of each. I could see 300 of a 121, A Class or C Class selling in four different liveries...

[rebelred]

I think a 22k would be pretty awesome Done to the Rapido standard

Oh God... at least it will be made of plastic like the real thing!!!!

[Mike 84C]

I would also pay for a model to MM standard

an A class

121

C class

H vans

B2 steam loco

I am surprized that an H van is not already available,its a highly visible vehicle in photos of Irish freight stock.

Is it possible to run this survey on RM web? as there seems to be a quite a current of interest for Irish railways in the UK. I was at Spalding last Sunday and Ballyconnell Road always had people watching.

[David Holman]

I would pay, though in my case it would be 7mm scale and a kit, rather than RTR. Guess the most numerous and far reaching locos would have the best chance of selling, so J15, A & C diesels & maybe a G?

[Frank_the_ piper]

I would pay in advance for a 121 or an A class.

[Horsetan]

I'd be biased towards steam, e.g. no.461, and it would be helpful if it could have allowances to convert to 21mm gauge.

[StevieB]

Give me a 121 any day over a 201.

 

Stephen

[Cinnead]

Top 3 in order of preference:

121 Class rtr

A Class rtr

CIE 20' container with side doors on rtr chassis

 

http://website.lineone.net/~sjohnson40/Loco%20Profiles/B121.html

[Garfield]

http://website.lineone.net/~sjohnson40/Loco%20Profiles/B121.html

 

Hi Cinnead, can you explain the relevance of that link?

[Robert Davies]

Being as I'm a complete GM nut a 121 please!

[Shinkansen]

Yes, I would pay.

A proper rtr A Class or 121 would be cool. A 22K would be no.1 for me, but probably the most unlikely of the 3 mentioned to ever happen.

[as365n4]

As I recently placed an Pre-Order with Rapido for an APT and some folk earlier mentioned the same Company already and their stuff is of a really nice top notch quallity I would only Pre-Order an unseen Model if it comes out of their or MMs hands.

 

I would never shell out any money for an Resin or 3D printed Model what is offered by certain Model shops, sorry.

 

On my hit list are the following stuff:

2900 Class

22k Class

3/4000 Class NIR

A Class

Mk4s, Buffet, DVT, etc.

Mk3 EGVs, Buffet, DVT, etc.

Mk1 GSV

Dutch Vans and rebuilt Dutch Vans

Container wagons (Pocket & flat)

Timber wagons

Taras

 

Edit says: I want some Cravens in RPSI and Presidential Livery as well.

Edited November 19, 2014 by as365n4

[KMCE]

My choice like a few before me would be for steam

 

A Class 101 (J15) would be nice or,

A Class 461 as note above

Or what would be very nice - a Class 800!

 

The trend does appear to be favouring diesel units and if it takes that route my preference would be a 121

 

Ken

[Kirley]

While my first preference would be for a 121 I would hope that Murphy Models would be releasing theirs within the next 2 years so it will be an A Class or any of the Steam locomotives already mentioned.

[BosKonay]

Bear in mind while a loco would be desirable, there are no shortage of them on the market at the moment, personally, my votes would go for

 

- 121 - well underway by Sir Murphy, Patron Saint of Irish Modelling

- A Class with all the bells and whistles

- 22k 3 piece ( I know! I know!)

 

- Cement Bubbles

- Cement Bogies

- Bagged Cement

- 20' Flats

- Beet Wagons

 

[iarnrod]

It is an interesting proposal, but one I think that would only work initially on the likes of a freight wagon such as the cement bubble, where people are likely to buy more than one. I could be wrong but I am quessing that there is less design and drawing on a wagon than on a locomotive, so the initial setup costs should be somewhat lower. I do feel that if an initial project worked out successfully, that you would get more people willing to put cash upfront for subsequent projects. I think such a proposal would need to be fronted by one of the Irish model shops, Murphy Models or some other manufacturer to enable modellers to have confidence in it being brought to a successful completion, pending sufficient cash being raised to allow the project to advance.

[PeterCDub]

I have not read all the comments, but there seems to be a concensus that an A and a 121 are both popular, but are also probably on the MM horizon. Surprised I haven't spotted 2600 class railcar, given its versatility for main line, suburban and minor branch use. It also gives scope for modding to a pre-DART push pull. I am not confident enough to try and kit bash a 2600, but would really like this icon of CIE for most of my life. And I mean an original 1950's 2600 of course.

Edited November 19, 2014 by PeterCDub

[chris]

I would be interested but would much prefer a wagon to start with.

There's a lot to go wrong with a loco and a lot of potential disappointment. At least with a wagon its simpler to design and produce

[plumber]

Though not a steam fan I would like a RTR of MAEVE

[steventrain]

I vote no because I do not have Murphy Models yet.

 

Maybe I will buy one for display.

[plumber]

PS, Paddy did say if there was enough interest he would give it some thought.

[murrayec]

Hi All

 

I have voted for prepay as I think it is a very good idea, but the reality of this is a different thing- the Irish modelling funding crowd is just not big enough to enable a manufacture to produce the goods like your talking here of the MM models, or the price for an individual model would be very high.

 

I do not speak for MM, and do not know fully the manufacturing system they use- but the brunt of the costs in making a model is in the;- model design, tool design, tool making, and model prototyping- that would also include royalties for both, copies of the design and copies from the tools. The cost of an MM model in the shop is controlled by quantity, a specific number of models manufactured over the whole run is the key. Manufacturing can be done in steps- ie;- different livery, which can help to limit the expenditure to stage costs as that model line progresses. But the design, tooling and prototyping costs have to be paid up front and this means the return investment is over the whole run, the initial models could be calculated as been very expensive but it is controlled by- there is a few more 1,000s to come!

 

So prepay is a very good idea but one will have to accept a higher cost than a MM model in the shop

 

eoin

[WT CLASS 2-6-4T No. 4]

Depends on model, cost and who's producing it.

[Railer]

I have not read all the comments, but there seems to be a concensus that an A and a 121 are both popular, but are also probably on the MM horizon. Surprised I haven't spotted 2600 class railcar, given its versatility for main line, suburban and minor branch use. It also gives scope for modding to a pre-DART push pull. I am not confident enough to try and kit bash a 2600, but would really like this icon of CIE for most of my life. And I mean an original 1950's 2600 of course.

 

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Edited November 19, 2014 by Railer
wrong 2600s.

[Dead Kennedy]

Hi there, yes, A Class, C Class, Laminates, I think Murphy Models will do the 121 in time but would be prepared to prepay to help him along with the project also.

[Sulzer201]

My present circumstances are tight but I would certainly 'scrape together' the funds to put up front the price of either the A or 121, a couple of either. When my own financial circumstances allow I will certainly give Paddy Murphy's project further support by buying more of his existing models, which are available at present.

[tonybonneyba]

I would like to see the modern NIR stock made, such as the 80, c4ks & c3ks.

[tonybonneyba]

Bear in mind while a loco would be desirable, there are no shortage of them on the market at the moment, personally, my votes would go for

 

- 121 - well underway by Sir Murphy, Patron Saint of Irish Modelling

- A Class with all the bells and whistles

- 22k 3 piece ( I know! I know!)

 

- Cement Bubbles

- Cement Bogies

- Bagged Cement

- 20' Flats

- Beet Wagons

 

I love to see a 22k too....

[wizardtrains]

Hi

Voted No:SORRY: but my reasons are a little different, many here have mentioned models from some suppliers and had I had experience of these I may have voted yes. My issue is with one or two companies in the UK that have asked for pre-orders to build a new loco and then you find this can take years to achieve. My longest wait, 2 1/2 years, it's a long time to have cash tied up. I don't object to a 6 month wait for a special item but this is rarely long enough to take a model from the drawing board to delivery. Not sure of the preferred scale here, I prefer HO, my thinking is that may be a company like Bachmann might be persuaded to produce some HO Irish loco's at this scale as they could market them in the US where they may have a good appeal with a market large enough to warrant regular production?

I'm rambling now, it's good to talk, some of the time.

 

Cheers

[Noel]

I love to see a 22k too....

 

Eeek!

 

Nay'r shall the grubby wheels of this plastic bus with the back breaking seats touch our model rails - a sanctuary for real trains

 

(in jest)

[minister_for_hardship]

Undecided, depends on what it is, who's doing it and is it worth the candle.

[BosKonay]

I guess the idea of this poll is to determine - all else being equal - (ie: the manufacturer, details, price, etc are up to snuff) - would you prepay for a model that would likely take a year to see.

[217 RIVER FLESK]

To me, the most logical next item to be produced would be a 22k, as they've infected the entire system (almost), though the cost of producing a 3-car set would be prohibitively high. Having said that, as they are still only at the start of their working lives, they will be around for many years (yawn) & hence a number of re-runs over the years would probably be required as these will be the only trains that people will come to remember. Things like 121s are already history & hence already the number of people that they mean something to is starting to diminish if were are brutally honest.

 

Personally As & Cs don't mean anything to me as they'd all finished by the time that I discovered Irish railways, so I'd almost be inclined to wish for something like a 2700 railcar before a Metro-Vic, though I probably would purchase a model of an A or C if one became available having travelled behind A39 on a tour, but then the model would have to reflect it in it's preserved condition.

 

Yes I'd be interested in 4 wheeled freight stock, but the only thing that concerns me is how they'd be represented. Irish freight vehicles became notorious for being extremely heavily weathered - something that is hard to represent convincingly & if done poorly I find a total turn off.

 

My top 5 wish list:

1 4wd Cement bubbles

2 4wd Beet wagons

3 2700 railcar

4 4wd ballast wagons

5 4wd ballast brake / plough