Garfield Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Hi all, Things have gotten a bit out of hand here so I've removed a few posts. Ad hominem attacks are out of order. Can we please stay on topic and remain civilised while discussing the models in question? The banhammer has been kept in its case for a long time now and it would be great if it could be kept there. Cheers! 4 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 20 hours ago, Garfield said: Hi all, Things have gotten a bit out of hand here so I've removed a few posts. Ad hominem attacks are out of order. Can we please stay on topic and remain civilised while discussing the models in question? The banhammer has been kept in its case for a long time now and it would be great if it could be kept there. Cheers! Yeah, come on guys, imagine arguing on the internet, that's way beneath the likes of me. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post WRENNEIRE Posted April 5 Popular Post Share Posted April 5 So the 141's have landed So a new box style, a Murphy Models one rather than a Bachmann one I opened a box for you people Had a sh*t hemorrhage when I looked in the accessory pocket Nothing there!!! Checked a few more from different boxes, again empty Took out the inner sleeve and checked the bottom of the box, empty Just by luck I looked underneath the sleeve and there they were! Horns are fitted but the surprise was a set of hand rails included with the usual bits and bobs, happy days! 17 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Damn, that looks so good! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabhal Luimnigh Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Nice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphaph Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Good stuff that they aren't in the 121 packaging which was a nice idea but in practice not reliable. Can't wait to get mine! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 The photo above is just a reminder of how good these models were on release over 15 years ago and they still look stunning. Well done Mr Murphy for producing more. 8 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 Pallets of MM just arrived at Marks Models. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 37 minutes ago, Noel said: Pallets of MM just arrived at Marks Models. Wooohooo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Snail Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 12 hours ago, WRENNEIRE said: So the 141's have landed So a new box style, a Murphy Models one rather than a Bachmann one ...... Horns are fitted but the surprise was a set of hand rails included with the usual bits and bobs, happy days! Nice, very nice indeed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 How is the DCC chip fitted? Any changes to the awkward body removal technique? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted April 6 Share Posted April 6 (edited) On the subject of the 141/181's there are 9 models 2 x B&T, 2 X S/T 2 X IE & 3 X IR Looking at the IR models I see that 2 are in "proper" IR livery and the 3rd one, 174sa is the transitional one, old Supertrain livery with tippex stripes and IR logo Very clever Mr Murphy. Edited April 6 by WRENNEIRE 11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) Could someone explain to the slower among us (me) what tippex livery is please? Also when talking about supertrain livery I took this to be black and tan. So what are the black, white and tan called?. 185 for example Ok I just checked pre orders and 185 is described as black and tan, although there is also white on it. Baffled Edited April 7 by derek 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 4 minutes ago, derek said: Could someone explain to the slower among us (me) what tippex livery is please? Also when talking about supertrain livery I took this to be black and tan. So what are the black, white and tan called?. 185 for example Ok I just checked pre orders and 185 is described as black and tan, although there is also white on it. Baffled Put the kettle on before you click this... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 9 minutes ago, derek said: Could someone explain to the slower among us (me) what tippex livery is please? Also when talking about supertrain livery I took this to be black and tan. So what are the black, white and tan called?. 185 for example Ok I just checked pre orders and 185 is described as black and tan, although there is also white on it. Baffled In short... Black and tan: Supertrain: IR: IE: Enjoy! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 14 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said: In short... Black and tan: Supertrain: IR: IE: Enjoy! 20 minutes ago, Broithe said: Put the kettle on before you click this... Thanks lads. All clear now. @DJ Dangerous, your reply was lovely and concise, whereas @Broithe yours was very informative. @jhb171achill is a mine of information isn't he? Thanks again to the both of you . So I now know my black and tans from my supertrains. Prob won't ever go down the IE or IR route. Hmmm, I still don't know what tippex is though. And don't start off with stationery products. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Dangerous Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 1 minute ago, derek said: Thanks lads. All clear now. @DJ Dangerous, your reply was lovely and concise, whereas @Broithe yours was very informative. @jhb171achill is a mine of information isn't he? Thanks again to the both of you . So I now know my black and tans from my supertrains. Prob won't ever go down the IE or IR route. Hmmm, I still don't know what tippex is though. And don't start off with stationery products. "Tippex" livery is what you call both IR and IE when you're eyesight deteriorates to the point that you can't read the IR and IE logos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Tippex refers to the 2 white (tippex) lines down the side of the IR & IE locos 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 5 minutes ago, derek said: Thanks lads. All clear now. @DJ Dangerous, your reply was lovely and concise, whereas @Broithe yours was very informative. @jhb171achill is a mine of information isn't he? Thanks again to the both of you . So I now know my black and tans from my supertrains. Prob won't ever go down the IE or IR route. Hmmm, I still don't know what tippex is though. And don't start off with stationery products. Tippex just refers to the white stripe, so it’s a fairly easy spot! Post 1987 I think. Sorry - posted simultaneously with @WRENNEIRE! Edited April 7 by Galteemore 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 I was going to mention the white stripes, but I didn't want to end up being corrected... 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derek Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Thanks for all the replies lads. Very informative as usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) Yes, the “tippex” name refers to the last livery they carried, either with the “set of points” logo or the “three pin plug”. Since the new entity Irish Rail hadn’t any money for a new livery when CIE was split up in 1987, the new admin traction just put white lines on the existing livery. Hence “tippex”. All three of these nicknames (and many others) originated amongst workers in Inchicore Works. When the 2600s were new, Connolly drivers christened them as the “Fanta Cans”; one suggested to me later when the navy blue, white and lime green livery appeared, that they were niw turning them into Lilt cans! Edited April 7 by jhb171achill 5 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 39 minutes ago, jhb171achill said: .When the 2600s were new, Connolly drivers christened them as the “Fanta Cans”; one suggested to me later when the navy blue, white and lime green livery appeared, that they were niw turning them into Lilt cans! Ironically lilt and the last commuter liveried 29k both went extinct around the same time I think Fanta cans compared to “cattle trucks” which is what Wikipedia said there nickname was, is slightly more humerus and I’ve actually heard people call it Fanta cans in the wild even 15 or so years after they last wore orange. Maybe one day there will be another Fanta can 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Just now, Westcorkrailway said: Ironically lilt and the last commuter liveried 29k both went extinct around the same time I think Fanta cans compared to “cattle trucks” which is what Wikipedia said there nickname was, is slightly more humerus and I’ve actually heard people call it Fanta cans in the wild even 15 or so years after they last wore orange. Maybe one day there will be another Fanta can Hopefully these things will be replaced by something more comfortable! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush and Lusk Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Excellent, informative responses to this enquiry - tremendous back story evolution by jhb171achill and excellent descriptive photographs by DJ Dangerous - we all learned something today ! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 As far as I recall the 2600 Railcars were originally commonly know as Arrows because of the Arrow branding of the new Heuston-Kildare Commuter services and nicknamed Jarrows (Japanese Arrows) when the 2700 Sparrow (Spanish Arrow) railcars were introduced for GN Line outer suburban services. The Sparrows (Alstom) and their DART equivalent apparently had a lot of reliability issues, the Sparrows were replaced by the 2900 on Dublin suburban services, the Sparrows transferred to less demanding duties in Limerick and Alstom railcars and EMUs stored have been 'stored' for many years 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganderino Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Any more info on the new 201’s on the way? I suppose there next on the agenda? Thanks Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 16 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said: Ironically lilt and the last commuter liveried 29k both went extinct around the same time I think Fanta cans compared to “cattle trucks” which is what Wikipedia said there nickname was, is slightly more humerus and I’ve actually heard people call it Fanta cans in the wild even 15 or so years after they last wore orange. Maybe one day there will be another Fanta can ‘Biscuit tins’ seems appropriate for 2[6-7]00 class DMUs. I suffered 7hrs on board one during a railtour once (cork-waterford) worst seats on rails, not suitable for intercity. Wont make that mistake, wont be going on a railtour again on any DMU, my back is still recovering. I thought the lilt livery was the nicest looking though. Bizarrely I commissioned a model some years ago in lilt livery but the supplier/builder vanished with my deposit. 2 hours ago, ganderino said: Any more info on the new 201’s on the way? I suppose there next on the agenda? Thanks Alex Last I was told in October by ‘a man’ was some 201s in IE livery reruns might be due Q1.25 and same for 071 re-runs in freight grey and NIR blue. That should put a stop stop the insane price gouging on eBay for Blue 111,112,113s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 57 minutes ago, Noel said: ‘Biscuit tins’ seems appropriate for 2[6-7]00 class DMUs. I suffered 7hrs on board one during a railtour once (cork-waterford) worst seats on rails, not suitable for intercity. Really, Noel? You obviously haven't travelled on an IET in the UK - not for nothing are the seats referred to as "Ironing Boards". In fact we call the Trains that and avoid them like the plague. Travelling into Paddington, I carefully seek out the semi-fasts operated with 387 EMUs which take a only slightly longer - being capable of and do achieve 110mph. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, leslie10646 said: Really, Noel? You obviously haven't travelled on an IET in the UK - not for nothing are the seats referred to as "Ironing Boards". In fact we call the Trains that and avoid them like the plague. Travelling into Paddington, I carefully seek out the semi-fasts operated with 387 EMUs which take an only slightly longer - being capable of and do achieve 110mph. My son is a daily commuter into London (and is a professional railwayman to boot). He has a choice of routes and opts for these whenever he can above more modern offerings! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie10646 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Ah, the Turbostars? He may get a loco and coaches in the future if the Railway Press is correct, as Chiltern Railways are looking at running the (Accurascale) Mark V coaches behind Class 68s. Good news for The Lads and Dapol, who do the Class 68. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flange lubricator Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 Me thinks that this thread has departed for that distant but well travelled destination Tangent ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broithe Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 26 minutes ago, flange lubricator said: Me thinks that this thread has departed for that distant but well travelled destination Tangent ! Time to get back on track? There were other Tippex liveries... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BosKonay Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 https://irishrailwaymodels.com/collections/in-stock Very few left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken K Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Just recieved some lovely Black n Tans thansk to all for such amazing models. Did i miss something regarding decoders? was there to be an announcement regarding dedicated decoders for the new 141/181's? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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